Witch/Pagan spell vs Christian prayer

[Hope]

"Impose" how? Owlswing is Wiccan, and he doesn't. Gabriella is Muslim and she doesn't.

One can impose one's worldview in a number of ways, Shakes.  At one end of the spectrum, one can tell people that X is the only way; at the other way, one can ridicule and abuse people who believe something other than that which you do.

[Owlswing]

"Impose" how? Owlswing is Wiccan, and he doesn't. Gabriella is Muslim and she doesn't.

Thanks Shaker - again you beat me to it!

[Hope]

Another wriggle from the Forum's belly dancing champion! Anything can be said if it makes Christianity acceptable or in an attempt to refute negative comments by non-Christians!

I notice that you seem to be extremely proficient in this very practice, owl.

[Hope]

Thanks Shaker - again you beat me to it!

And I've beaten you to a response.

[Brownie]

One can impose one's worldview in a number of ways, Shakes.  At one end of the spectrum, one can tell people that X is the only way; at the other way, one can ridicule and abuse people who believe something other than that which you do.

I agree with you, Hope.

Like Shaker, I haven't seen any people of non-Christian faith imposing their world view on here.

Regarding telling people that X is the only way, there are a couple who do and they are Christians but I can honestly say I haven't seen that attitude from Hope, he just shares what he believes, giving his opinion when issues arise.

Talking about your faith on a religion and ethics forum is not imposing, it's to be expected and I don't understand the need for abuse and ridicule, or shouting down.  It doesn't achieve anything.

[Owlswing]

I notice that you seem to be extremely proficient in this very practice, owl.

I have never, unlike your goodself, tried to mainpulate language to your own ends. I have never said that words do not mean what they say but something else because you do not like what they actually say and would prefer them to say what you and your beknighted church want them to say.

Like I said before your methods of trying to justify the contradictions in the teachigs of your Bible and church - you mustn't Kill, unless, of course, it is pagans, witches, adulterers et cetera ad infinitum except of course you try to excuse these anomalies by insisting that kill does not mean kill in these cases.

Just let it go Hope, you will say anything to justify your religion and its inability to follow its own rules - to the extent that if you told me that it was dark outside I would go and check just to make sure you hadn't put curtains over the windows. I wouldn't trust you to tell the truth about your religion if you were lying on a stack of bibles fifty feet high.

[Outrider]

What colour is .. [unicorn-poo]? So I know what to avoid.

Well, rainbow coloured, obviously! Of course, if you're not properly trained and spiritually attuned you'll miss it, because it's invisible...

O.

[Outrider]

One can impose one's worldview in a number of ways, Shakes.  At one end of the spectrum, one can tell people that X is the only way; at the other way, one can ridicule and abuse people who believe something other than that which you do.

You do have to remember to distinguish, though, between ridiculing the believer and ridiculing the belief.

O.

[Shaker]

Regarding telling people that X is the only way

... which is exactly what Christianity regards itself as ...

there are a couple who do and they are Christians

And are, if nothing else, following the manual, as it were.

[Shaker]

One can impose one's worldview in a number of ways, Shakes.  At one end of the spectrum, one can tell people that X is the only way

Which Christianity does.

at the other way, one can ridicule and abuse people who believe something other than that which you do.

It's ridicule and abuse of language to regard this as the imposition of a worldview.

[Anchorman]

... which is exactly what Christianity regards itself as ...And are, if nothing else, following the manual, as it were.

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Any Christian who claims to be Christian can admit only One way to God, Shaker.
To do anything else would cast doubt on the Lord he/she claims.
But certain believers do go OTT - let's be charitable and call it evangelical zeal, though there are a few other less charitable epithets.)
Yet common courtesy, if nothing else, should make them stop and acknowledge as equally valid, other people's faith or non faith stance. There should be no issues engaging in polite, even friendly, discussion on faith, or any other issues - since for the Christian, faith should impact on every aspect of life.
The trick is not to ram one's belief down others' throats in a vain effort to kick them into the Kingdom.
It gets up their nose.
Frankly, it often gets up mine as well.

[Outrider]

Any Christian who claims to be Christian can admit only One way to God, Shaker.

So a Christian who believes that devout people of other faiths are simply following their own path to God, and that it's for God to judge if they are fit isn't a Christian in your eyes? That's a fairly hard-line stance that I'd suggest a lot of self-professed Christians would say doesn't conform to the loving, welcoming depiction of God (and Jesus) that they've come to understand.

To do anything else would cast doubt on the Lord he/she claims.

No, it would be to admit that they aren't perfect, and are operating on faith rather than knowledge, surely.

O.

[Anchorman]

Outrider: I've already stated that I respect others' POV. However, for the Christian, there is no wriggle room. There can be but One way to God, and sharing our faith is a Gospel imperative. Note, I said 'sharing'. Whether the person to whom I share decides to accept what I share is completely up to them - equally, whether I decide to accdept their faith stance is up to me. It can only be a matter of choice. As I stated, though, some 'enthusiasts' are under the delusion that their way of communicating the faith is the only one (despirte all evidence to the contrary).

[Outrider]

Outrider: I've already stated that I respect others' POV.

I appreciate that, I wasn't trying to lump you in with the harassers, apologies if it came across like that.

However, for the Christian, there is no wriggle room. There can be but One way to God, and sharing our faith is a Gospel imperative.

That's your take on Christianity, to which you're entitled, but there are Christians out there who are of the opinion that the people who wrote the scriptures were as fallible as anyone else, that the specifics of the written word are questionable, and that the principle of love God and love your neighbour mean that they accept anyone's attempt to find God, by any means, to be acceptable.

Note, I said 'sharing'. Whether the person to whom I share decides to accept what I share is completely up to them - equally, whether I decide to accdept their faith stance is up to me. It can only be a matter of choice. As I stated, though, some 'enthusiasts' are under the delusion that their way of communicating the faith is the only one (despirte all evidence to the contrary).

Had one of those on the underground a few weeks ago - it's even more objectionable when they fire up for a captive audience!

O.

[Jack Knave]

Well, rainbow coloured, obviously! Of course, if you're not properly trained and spiritually attuned you'll miss it, because it's invisible...

O.

Invisible, ah. So I guess it doesn't smell either?

[Hope]

Like Shaker, I haven't seen any people of non-Christian faith imposing their world view on here.

Brownie, over the years I've been here, I've seen some pretty obnoxious descriptions of both the Christian Faith and Christians - some describe Christians as brainless (or other comparable terms), as idiots, ...   Some describe the Christian faith as myth, fantasy, a joke, ...

That may be a fairly subtle way of imposing one's system of belief or understanding on others (similar claims have been made of Christians, after all), but it is pretty widespread.

[Outrider]

Invisible, ah. So I guess it doesn't smell either?

I've not reached that level of attunement, yet, I'm waiting on the last envelope coming through the post, but I'm assured they smell of Opal Fruits.

O.

[Brownie]

Anchor, your last posts have been so sensible!  Hee hee, I'm not saying your others haven't been but the last two, particularly, have struck me particularly.

Me: Like Shaker, I haven't seen any people of non-Christian faith imposing their world view on here.

Hope:  Brownie, over the years I've been here, I've seen some pretty obnoxious descriptions of both the Christian Faith and Christians - some describe Christians as brainless (or other comparable terms), as idiots, ...   Some describe the Christian faith as myth, fantasy, a joke, ...

Hope, I was talking about people of non-Christian faith, not those of no faith who do, regularly describe us as what you said and ridicule our beliefs.

('Anchor and Hope'  sounds like a pub.)

[Anchorman]

Anchor and Hope? I wouldn't darken its' doors unless it serves a decent malt.

[Jack Knave]

I've not reached that level of attunement, yet, I'm waiting on the last envelope coming through the post, but I'm assured they smell of Opal Fruits.

O.

Just as long as they aren't Opal Fruits as a ate rather a lot of those when I was younger!!! 

[Anchorman]

Just as long as they aren't Opal Fruits as a ate rather a lot of those when I was younger!!! 

Starbursts, dear boy, Starbursts....
Sign of the times, innit?

[Jack Knave]

Starbursts, dear boy, Starbursts....
Sign of the times, innit?

I said when I was younger. I stopped eating them before they changed their name. They will always be Opal Fruits to me!!!!!!!

[Owlswing]

I said when I was younger. I stopped eating them before they changed their name. They will always be Opal Fruits to me!!!!!!!

Made to make your mouth water!

Does this date me?

[Brownie]

Me too.
Gorgeous stuff.

[Sassy]

You KNOW Sweet F . ..  - Sweet Fanny Adams about paganism!

As usual, unfounded allegations. I know the God who created the very things that give existence to the things paganism based on. But the things created have no power of themselves.
May be you could research and use logic to reason why I know the things you cannot even stumble over...

In fact why pretend you know anything about paganism when it is as dead as the gods and the spells it creates when the hand/finger of the living God is present. Even Pharaohs men knew when they were beaten. Because there is no power greater than the living gods.
We do not learn these things of ourselves or from our own wisdom the glory belongs to God.