Jesus' Pedigree

[Gonnagle]

Dear Seb,



Shyster and con - man!! You do know old friend that there is on this forum a rule, a unwritten rule, why! because it is so bloody obvious to all, well if you have a modicum of intelligence, you can just ignore posters, you can walk away with dignity if the answers you receive are not to your liking, you can say to yourself, that guy or gal is a fuckwit, but there is no need to express that feeling in words, especially if that guy or gal is in general a nice guy or gal.

I myself have done it many times ( I am always right, even when I am wrong, me wrong! that's a hoot ) anyway, no need for name calling, just say conversation closed or we are getting nowhere here.

Just to add, politeness is a key mark of a West Coast man, especially when we have dinked you over the head with our empty ( empty is important ) buckfast bottle.

Gonnagle.

[NicholasMarks]

Jesus said he didn't know the day or hour, but knew the generation - his own.

Your favourite part of the Bible - Revelation - states at the beginning "every eye shall see him, and they that pierced him" - a pretty clear indication that those who crucified him would still be alive to see Jesus' return.

If I started explaining that one Dicky you would be even more aggressive towards righteous truth...but I will introduce you to that truth.

It all revolves around resurrection. The crux of Jesus' teaching is that we can all be resurrected from one generation to the next...from our old bludgeoned vessel to a new vessel...as long as we follow his teaching. It isn't a question of consulting Almighty God every time...it is a question of how the electric mechanics of the world, and the universe work.

There will come a time when even those left in the ether will be reborn but only briefly. They are destined for Wormwood unless they can grasp righteous truth and repent in time. I suspect that time is now...and the lack of self discipline and moral decline throughout the world suggests I'm right.

[NicholasMarks]

Dear All...

I know it's not what you want to hear...but is still best answer on this Biblical mystery. It has points of evidence from experiences of a number of people alive today and is certainly within the capability of those who made Adam & Eve in their own image.

It needs to be said because many of the all powerful statements made by your omnipotent God are brought to universal accuracy when we build it into our understanding. I am of course talking about Joseph's linage being associated directly with Jesus Christ.

Best answer states rhat Joseph was taken from this planeet as an abductee by righteous forces and his genetic material extracted...cleaned up a bit, before being implanted in Mary via a similar route. This is why there were no arguments with the angels...both Joseph and Mary knew they were both dealing with very superior beings.

[torridon]

There will come a time when even those left in the ether will be reborn but only briefly. They are destined for Wormwood unless they can grasp righteous truth and repent in time. I suspect that time is now...and the lack of self discipline and moral decline throughout the world suggests I'm right.

Back to scaremongering again Nick.

If there is a God then we don't need to worry, God will take care of business, he will do whatever is best for us.  If he is unable to save us from Wormwood Scrubs then he is feeble and therefore not God.  If he doesn't want to save us then he is evil and therefore not God.

Scaremongering is not consistent with righteousness.

[Brownie]

Dear All...

I know it's not what you want to hear...but is still best answer on this Biblical mystery. It has points of evidence from experiences of a number of people alive today and is certainly within the capability of those who made Adam & Eve in their own image.

It needs to be said because many of the all powerful statements made by your omnipotent God are brought to universal accuracy when we build it into our understanding. I am of course talking about Joseph's linage being associated directly with Jesus Christ.

Best answer states rhat Joseph was taken from this planeet as an abductee by righteous forces and his genetic material extracted...cleaned up a bit, before being implanted in Mary via a similar route. This is why there were no arguments with the angels...both Joseph and Mary knew they were both dealing with very superior beings.

I always understood that Jews took adoption very seriously and if a person (or couple), assumed parentage of a child, that child was theirs as much as if they were biological parents, more so than adoptive parents do in our culture.  That is why Joseph's lineage (descended from the House of David), is considered to be so relevant to Jesus, he rightfully inherited it even if not biologically.  I believe Mary was a Levite, descended from the House of Aaron, the High Priest.

However the theory you put forward is an interesting one, certainly not something that has ever occurred to me.

[torridon]

Best answer states rhat Joseph was taken from this planeet as an abductee by righteous forces and his genetic material extracted...cleaned up a bit, before being implanted in Mary via a similar route. This is why there were no arguments with the angels...both Joseph and Mary knew they were both dealing with very superior beings.

No need for abduction to do this, a drop of saliva is all you need to decode someone's genome.

Not sure what 'cleaned up' would mean in this context.  Eliminate heritable disease, OK, but most things coded for are characteristics; there is no such thing as a 'correct' eye colour or nose shape.

[NicholasMarks]

Back to scaremongering again Nick.

If there is a God then we don't need to worry, God will take care of business, he will do whatever is best for us.  If he is unable to save us from Wormwood Scrubs then he is feeble and therefore not God.  If he doesn't want to save us then he is evil and therefore not God.

Scaremongering is not consistent with righteousness.

It's perhaps best to read your Holy Bible and find out exactly what Jesus Christ says about Almighty God's Judgement, torri.

[NicholasMarks]

No need for abduction to do this, a drop of saliva is all you need to decode someone's genome.

Not sure what 'cleaned up' would mean in this context.  Eliminate heritable disease, OK, but most things coded for are characteristics; there is no such thing as a 'correct' eye colour or nose shape.

There you go again torri...thinking you know better than the angels.

[torridon]

I don't see the sense in the idea that God endows man with reasoning ability and then expect him to not use it.  What would be the point in having legs if we all refuse to walk ?

[NicholasMarks]

I don't see the sense in the idea that God endows man with reasoning ability and then expect him to not use it.  What would be the point in having legs if we all refuse to walk ?

It strikes me torri...mainly because I am familiar with the Holy Bible...that Almighty God is working to a plan. That plan tells me that the human being, regardless of its sinful state at the moment, is capable of much better and we are each encouraged to find that much better. It is very important that we try because there are strong influences in everones lives that are pulling us apart at the seams.

Don't be one of them torri...look at the wonderful pedigree of Jesus Christ and know...Almighty God means business.

 

[torridon]

It strikes me torri...mainly because I am familiar with the Holy Bible...that Almighty God is working to a plan. That plan tells me that the human being, regardless of its sinful state at the moment, is capable of much better and we are each encouraged to find that much better. It is very important that we try because there are strong influences in everones lives that are pulling us apart at the seams.

Don't be one of them torri...look at the wonderful pedigree of Jesus Christ and know...Almighty God means business.

Nobody improves themselves by ditching their reasoning ability.  If it offends against reason, then it is probably wrong imo.

[NicholasMarks]

Nobody improves themselves by ditching their reasoning ability.  If it offends against reason, then it is probably wrong imo.

It's not a question of ditching our reasoning ability but a question of restoring it so that we can all live in peace and harmony. 

Those that don't like peace and harmony have unfortunately reasoned themselves out of a wonderful future built around truth, honesty and everlasting life.

[Khatru]

Matthew 1-1:25 details the pedigree of Jesus Christ. He is of the highest stock…In his family linage is Abraham…remember him…he is the father of the Jewish nation…also David, who was the first king of Israel. With a line of descent like that Jesus was certainly going to be very special…especially as all 3 of them had direct help from Almighty God.

The Jews don’t accept Jesus but that is because the Rabbis and the high priests had forged a good social status among God’s people and no distant relative of their own authority was going to upset the apple-cart.

What Jesus did, in fact, is show us that all governing bodies can have elements of the same cancerous attitude. That regardless of what the image of the group, as presented, is, there are, among their number, hard-core, self-seekers, organising their own self-interest and pushing the voice of the whole group to follow their own cancerous policies.

Not until the general population gets wise to these tactics will there ever be any improvement and if we follow cancerous behaviour we will finish up a cancerous society...and we should know what that means.

Almighty God has given us a period to see where a cancerous society leads to. It leads to where we...the world...are today.

Well, we all got here by ignoring Jesus’ accurate teaching and so we can be certain that that is how to prevent this mess in the future…that is, after the new heavens and the new Earth comes into force.

It will all be less painful if we make a start before-hand…but that is up to us…as individuals.

Here's someone who knows far more about genetics than you or I telling us.....

That's why everyone alive in the Holy Land at the time of Jesus would have been able to claim David for an ancestor.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19331938

[NicholasMarks]

Here's someone who knows far more about genetics than you or I telling us.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19331938

A nice submission Khatru but you have missed the vital point. This is that if Joseph had none of the necessary contact with Mary, before hand, how can he be included in the genetic line from Abraham??

I have given the best answer...but that doesn't make it correct it just means that us mere mortal earthlings have got a better answer than 'no answer' proving that we don't know everything whilst Almighty God always speaks the truth.

A confidence we build-up within us when we take his word seriously.

 

[torridon]

It's not a question of ditching our reasoning ability but a question of restoring it so that we can all live in peace and harmony. 

OK, well remember that the next time you ask us to just 'accept' things on faith.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

It strikes me torri...mainly because I am familiar with the Holy Bible...that Almighty God is working to a plan.

This'll be lost on you, but that's called a non sequitur. You can be as familiar with the "Holy" Bible as you like - really you could read it from cover-to-cover forwards, backwards, hanging from the rafters and translated into 27 languages (including Swahili) if you like. And still all you would know is what that book says. That's it - no logic, no argument, no anything to enable you to map its contents to a reality outside of its pages.

If you seriously ever wanted to make an argument to explain why you think it to be true then you'd need to step outside of the what the Bible claims and into a logic that supports your contentions.

Why is this so difficult for you to grasp? Seriously, why?

Every time someone asks you why you think the Bible is correct you just tell us more of what it says. What on earth makes you think that that's an answer to the question?   

[NicholasMarks]

Sparky,

This'll be lost on you, but that's called a non sequitur. You can be as familiar with the "Holy" Bible as you like - really you could read it from cover-to-cover forwards, backwards, hanging from the rafters and translated into 27 languages (including Swahili) if you like. And still all you would know is what that book says. That's it - no logic, no argument, no anything to enable you to map its contents to a reality outside of its pages.

If you seriously ever wanted to make an argument to explain why you think it to be true then you'd need to step outside of the what the Bible claims and into a logic that supports your contentions.

Why is this so difficult for you to grasp? Seriously, why?

Every time someone asks you why you think the Bible is correct you just tell us more of what it says. What on earth makes you think that that's an answer to the question?

I have only one thing to say to you bluehillside...'The Grand Unification of All the Field Forces.'

Here is your separate, scientific answer. Everything unifies together scientifically...but science can't do it...even though they have spent billions trying.

The secret is that all their particles start life as a watery type substance. An electric plasma that isn't yet mass but becomes mass when you go step by step along the production process of every possible permitation.

This superabundant raw material is listed in the Holy Bible and not even you can deny that. I have taken it a step further and am showing you it is all included in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.

But I'm not just telling you bluehillside, I am telling all those that will listen that this is the bed-rock behind all of Jesus' teaching because it is owned by Almighty God and will deliver repair, resurrection and everlasting life if we comply with God's righteous laws.



 

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

I have only one thing to say to you bluehillside...'The Grand Unification of All the Field Forces.'

Here is your separate, scientific answer. Everything unifies together scientifically...but science can't do it...even though they have spent billions trying.

The secret is that all their particles start life as a watery type substance. An electric plasma that isn't yet mass but becomes mass when you go step by step along the production process of every possible permitation.

This superabundant raw material is listed in the Holy Bible and not even you can deny that. I have taken it a step further and am showing you it is all included in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.

But I'm not just telling you bluehillside, I am telling all those that will listen that this is the bed-rock behind all of Jesus' teaching because it is owned by Almighty God and will deliver repair, resurrection and everlasting life if we comply with God's righteous laws.

Assertions noted. Now then - WHY do you think any of that to be true?

[Gonnagle]

Dear Blue,

Assertions noted. Now then - WHY do you think any of that to be true?

Yes!! Our Nicholas does that to some posters Me! I am more relaxed regarding his Science of Righteousness, it has a nice ring to it, if you follow some of his stuff it is backed up by, well lets call it "real science".

I remember one time he was chuntering on about nervous energy and linking it to football crowds, it turns out there are real scientific studies into crowd behaviour at football matches, wasted energy, and also real scientific studies into nervous energy, linking it to anxiety.

So relax Blue, chill out, join our Nicholas and Prof Hawking in looking for The Grand Unification of all the Field Forces Although I think Prof Hawking has another name for it

Gonnagle.

[torridon]

I have only one thing to say to you bluehillside...'The Grand Unification of All the Field Forces.'

Here is your separate, scientific answer. Everything unifies together scientifically...but science can't do it...even though they have spent billions trying.

The secret is that all their particles start life as a watery type substance. An electric plasma that isn't yet mass but becomes mass when you go step by step along the production process of every possible permitation.

This superabundant raw material is listed in the Holy Bible and not even you can deny that. I have taken it a step further and am showing you it is all included in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.

But I'm not just telling you bluehillside, I am telling all those that will listen that this is the bed-rock behind all of Jesus' teaching because it is owned by Almighty God and will deliver repair, resurrection and everlasting life if we comply with God's righteous laws.

Particles don't start from a watery substance, they collapse from a probability wave.  Don't get confused with ocean waves being watery now.  It would seem that Jesus had a poor understanding of quantum theory.

[Sebastian Toe]

I suspect that time is now...

Nick,I've mislaid my Sparky's dictionary of misused and abused words.

Can you please tell me if 'now' means before - or - after, 'soon'?
That would help put your post in context.
Many thanks.....

[Khatru]

A nice submission Khatru but you have missed the vital point. This is that if Joseph had none of the necessary contact with Mary, before hand, how can he be included in the genetic line from Abraham??

From the article....

Theory tells us that not only would all of Jesus's contemporaries be descended from King David, but that this would probably be the case even if Solomon had been into monogamy.

We can make this sort of prediction because over the past 15 years or so, these ideas have been studied as part of the research into understanding patterns in our own genome.

Note that Joseph would come under "all of Jesus's contemporaries.

[torridon]

From the article....

Note that Joseph would come under "all of Jesus's contemporaries.

Yes, that's right.  Not just Jesus, but everyone living in the region would have been a descendent of both David and Abraham simply by virtue of the way human family trees grow over extended periods of time.  Similarly all modern Europeans can justly claim to be descendants of Charlemagne the Great, the last common ancestor of Europeans is calculated to be around 1400AD.  The last common ancestor for the entire human population of Earth is calculated to be around 1400BC IIRC.

[Nearly Sane]

The last common ancestor for the entire human population of Earth is calculated to be around 1400BC IIRC.

It's just pity they were such a dick!

Surely there are some peoples whose interaction with people descended from that person is not sufficient for that to be that case? Thinking of some of the populations who have only been discovered in last 50 years or so?

[torridon]

It's just pity they were such a dick!

Surely there are some peoples whose interaction with people descended from that person is not sufficient for that to be that case? Thinking of some of the populations who have only been discovered in last 50 years or so?

Yes I suppose we would have to exclude recently discovered tribal peoples from that statistic, but of course numerically they are insignificant.  To include them we would have to factor in the last Out Of Africa migrations