Jesus' Pedigree

[NicholasMarks]

Matthew 1-1:25 details the pedigree of Jesus Christ. He is of the highest stock…In his family linage is Abraham…remember him…he is the father of the Jewish nation…also David, who was the first king of Israel. With a line of descent like that Jesus was certainly going to be very special…especially as all 3 of them had direct help from Almighty God.

The Jews don’t accept Jesus but that is because the Rabbis and the high priests had forged a good social status among God’s people and no distant relative of their own authority was going to upset the apple-cart.

What Jesus did, in fact, is show us that all governing bodies can have elements of the same cancerous attitude. That regardless of what the image of the group, as presented, is, there are, among their number, hard-core, self-seekers, organising their own self-interest and pushing the voice of the whole group to follow their own cancerous policies.

Not until the general population gets wise to these tactics will there ever be any improvement and if we follow cancerous behaviour we will finish up a cancerous society...and we should know what that means.

Almighty God has given us a period to see where a cancerous society leads to. It leads to where we...the world...are today.

Well, we all got here by ignoring Jesus’ accurate teaching and so we can be certain that that is how to prevent this mess in the future…that is, after the new heavens and the new Earth comes into force.

It will all be less painful if we make a start before-hand…but that is up to us…as individuals.

[Hope]

I'm noit sure that any of this has any relevance to Jesus' teachings, Nick.  If anything, you seem to be hijacking his life for little or nothing.

[NicholasMarks]

I'm noit sure that any of this has any relevance to Jesus' teachings, Nick.  If anything, you seem to be hijacking his life for little or nothing.

What I am trying to do Hope is point out that what happened to Jesus had an emotional dynamic which we are subject to today, ourselves.

The linage shows us that right to this day...over a period of a few thousand years...the same controlling laws have existed, causing the same problems...and there is a way out...not by force or ignorance but by righteous patience and belief in the accurate teaching of Jesus. Born to be king for all eternity.

[jeremyp]

Matthew 1-1:25 details the pedigree of Jesus Christ. He is of the highest stock…In his family linage is Abraham…remember him…he is the father of the Jewish nation

But Abraham is meant to be the ancestor of all the Jews. They would all have claimed descent from Abraham making Jesus nothing special.

…also David, who was the first king of Israel. With a line of descent like that Jesus was certainly going to be very special…especially as all 3 of them had direct help from Almighty God.

Except of course, it is Joseph who claimed descent from King David but Joseph was not Jesus' father, allegedly.

This problem destroys your premise, so we can safely ignore the rest of your post.

[NicholasMarks]

But Abraham is meant to be the ancestor of all the Jews. They would all have claimed descent from Abraham making Jesus nothing special.
Except of course, it is Joseph who claimed descent from King David but Joseph was not Jesus' father, allegedly.

This problem destroys your premise, so we can safely ignore the rest of your post.

That wouldn't be wise jeremyp.

True Jesus was conceived by a virgin and this person was to become the Son of God...but Joseph was the husband of Mary and the rights that were Joseph's were inherited by the son. Jesus, who had no earthly father, in spiritual terms, certainly had a father in legal terms. We could play around with the Biblical facts and say that the linage spoken of in Luke were the ancestors of Mary but it isn't too important here. What is important is that Jesus had an inherited right to the throne of David both by marriage and by the law of God.

Of course, you can dismiss everything I say...I'm not important...except that I am the only person, telling you directly, what is in store for this planet and how, Biblically speaking, you can be saved...and, Biblically speaking, what to expect before hand and afterwards...and it is all courtesy of the belief that Abraham and David passed down their linage.

 

[BashfulAnthony]

The Pedigree is meaningless, a man-made irrelevance.

[Hope]

What I am trying to do Hope is point out that what happened to Jesus had an emotional dynamic which we are subject to today, ourselves.

The linage shows us that right to this day...over a period of a few thousand years...the same controlling laws have existed, causing the same problems...and there is a way out...not by force or ignorance but by righteous patience and belief in the accurate teaching of Jesus. Born to be king for all eternity.

So, why not say that humans and human society suffer from the same problems as they did in Jesus' time.  Why do you need to use all the fancy terminology that often makes little sense because it is jargonistic.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Nicholas,



Our Lords pedigree!



His pedigree as you call it is this, through his Teachings and life he founded the Greatest Religion man has ever known, his pedigree is that through his wisdom he distilled all of the greatest teachers the world has ever known into his Teachings, his pedigree is that the Son washed the feet of his followers, his pedigree is that he knew his fate but stayed the course, his pedigree is that he cried out to the Father, his pedigree is that he died on the Cross.

His pedigree is this,

John 13:34-35

Our Lord needs no other pedigree.

Gonnagle.

[Hope]

Except of course, it is Joseph who claimed descent from King David but Joseph was not Jesus' father, allegedly.

This problem destroys your premise, so we can safely ignore the rest of your post.

Except that Jewishness is passed down the mother's line for Jews, and therefore it was as important for Mary to have been of David's line as it was Joseph.

[Harrowby Hall]

…In his family linage is Abraham…

According to the New Testament account, there were about 40 generations between Abraham and Jesus. If we assume that only two children were produced by each descendent in each generation then there would have been more than 1,000,000,000,000 who could claim descent from Abraham.

Not only Jesus, but Judas Iscariot, Herod Antipas, Pontius Pilate and Cleopatra could claim descent from Abraham. Not much of a claim is it!

[NicholasMarks]

Dear Nicholas,



Our Lords pedigree!



His pedigree as you call it is this, through his Teachings and life he founded the Greatest Religion man has ever known, his pedigree is that through his wisdom he distilled all of the greatest teachers the world has ever known into his Teachings, his pedigree is that the Son washed the feet of his followers, his pedigree is that he knew his fate but stayed the course, his pedigree is that he cried out to the Father, his pedigree is that he died on the Cross.

His pedigree is this,

John 13:34-35

Our Lord needs no other pedigree.

Gonnagle

No arguements there Gonnagle. The point I am making is this...I opened up the scripture on the first page of the NT and realised it was that boring page on the line of descent of Jesus and I decided to give it a little sparkle and see what others thought.

The geneolgy is in fact quite interesting in that there is a direct line of linage from Abraham to Jesus and it is the same model all other instituional monarchs use to establish their own right to rule...it's just that Jesus's is much more special than theirs

[BashfulAnthony]

Dear Nicholas,



Our Lords pedigree!



His pedigree as you call it is this, through his Teachings and life he founded the Greatest Religion man has ever known, his pedigree is that through his wisdom he distilled all of the greatest teachers the world has ever known into his Teachings, his pedigree is that the Son washed the feet of his followers, his pedigree is that he knew his fate but stayed the course, his pedigree is that he cried out to the Father, his pedigree is that he died on the Cross.

His pedigree is this,

John 13:34-35

Our Lord needs no other pedigree.

Gonnagle.

Absolutely, Gonners.  Says it all!  Jesus has no family history:  He is Son of God, made human, and the conflicting genealogies in the NT are simply Midrashim, written to convince Jewish readers that Jesus was wholly Jewish.

[torridon]

True Jesus was conceived by a virgin and this person was to become the Son of God...
 

Does this mean Jesus was a clone of his mother ?

[NicholasMarks]

Does this mean Jesus was a clone of his mother ?

No...it.means that he was a clone of his heavenly father...perfect in every detail.

[torridon]

So he wasn't really human at all then ?

[NicholasMarks]

So he wasn't really human at all then ?

That's where Mary comes in to the equation.

[torridon]

That's where Mary comes in to the equation.

If Jesus had no biological father then he would have been a clone, more or less identical to, his mother;  including, he would have been a woman

[NicholasMarks]

If Jesus had no biological father then he would have been a clone, more or less identical to, his mother;  including, he would have been a woman

Only if you leave Almighty God out of the equation. If God made Adam and Eve he was certainly capable of putting the finest dna structure inside those cells he developed for this project and he would be much cleverer than you I in explaining what he did..

[torridon]

Only if you leave Almighty God out of the equation. If God made Adam and Eve he was certainly capable of putting the finest dna structure inside those cells he developed for this project and he would be much cleverer than you I in explaining what he did..

Ah, I see, maybe Mary was used as a surrogate.  Clever.  But that does mean of course that Jesus was not really of David's line then.

[NicholasMarks]

Ah, I see, maybe Mary was used as a surrogate.  Clever.  But that does mean of course that Jesus was not really of David's line then.

I have discovered torridon, that with the Holy Bible it isn't wise to form our own anti-conclusions too wildly because there is a better answer within its logic that we are unable, yet, to work out. We just aren't clever enough.

It is best to just accept it as true and work out why it is true rather than try to talk yourself out of resurrection.

[torridon]

I have discovered torridon, that with the Holy Bible it isn't wise to form our own anti-conclusions too wildly because there is a better answer within its logic that we are unable, yet, to work out. We just aren't clever enough.

It is best to just accept it as true and work out why it is true rather than try to talk yourself out of resurrection.

I disagree, that is an example of poor critical reasoning, we can do better than that.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Nicholas,

No arguements there Gonnagle. The point I am making is this...I opened up the scripture on the first page of the NT and realised it was that boring page on the line of descent of Jesus and I decided to give it a little sparkle and see what others thought.

Fair enough old son it is just one of my little foible's, Our Lord needs no CV, his Divinity shines out in the Gospels, oh and by the way!! when debating with unbelievers who use words like "clone" and "surrogate" , these are man made words, based on a science that changes with every new discovery.

Gonnagle.

[jeremyp]

That wouldn't be wise jeremyp.

Yes it would.

True Jesus was conceived by a virgin and this person was to become the Son of God...but Joseph was the husband of Mary and the rights that were Joseph's were inherited by the son.

In that case, Josephs lineage was irrelevant.

What is important is that Jesus had an inherited right to the throne of David both by marriage and by the law of God.

Not necessarily. Even if he was in the direct male line, he need not have been the legal heir to the throne.

Anyway, why do you need to obsess about this? According to your religion, Jesus is God. Why would he care about a poxy little kingdom that was smaller than almost all of the US states.

[NicholasMarks]

Yes it would.

In that case, Josephs lineage was irrelevant.

Not necessarily. Even if he was in the direct male line, he need not have been the legal heir to the throne.

Anyway, why do you need to obsess about this? According to your religion, Jesus is God. Why would he care about a poxy little kingdom that was smaller than almost all of the US states.

According to my understanding, jeremyp, Jesus is the Son of God...you see...you are suffering from brain-washing imposed on the early church to support false prophets steering that church.

I obsess about this because the signs are that those who don't obsess about righteousness will find that they have rejected a science which is the ultimate science in repairing health and peoples, world-wide, including that massive United States and this tiddily little island...and a few others beside. Look at the Jews thriving with only God's OT guidence...but they will come to regret rejecting Jesus.

As I mentioned earlier, the linage of Joseph will have a deeper meaning than we can yet possibly understand, but it will be true, in God's eyes, else he wouldn't have said it. It is like a test really, believe in what God and Jesus Christ say, else don't expect to be part of the future deal...and the signs say that that future deal isn't so very far off.

[Sebastian Toe]

.and the signs say that that future deal isn't so very far off.

How far off then Nick?
Could it be any of the following?
5 days
5 weeks
5 months
5 years
5 decades
5 centuries