Jesus' Pedigree

[torridon]

According to my understanding, jeremyp, Jesus is the Son of God...you see...you are suffering from brain-washing imposed on the early church to support false prophets steering that church.

Or more likely, it might be that you are suffering 'brain-washing', induced by thousands of years of cultural conditioning underlaid by a complex of legacy human biases.

I obsess about this because the signs are that those who don't obsess about righteousness will find that they have rejected a science which is the ultimate science in repairing health and peoples, world-wide, including that massive United States and this tiddily little island...and a few others beside. Look at the Jews thriving with only God's OT guidence...but they will come to regret rejecting Jesus.

You appear to have no idea of what science is.  Science is a process, a bunch of methods for finding things out.  I'm sure someone must have already pointed this error out to you before.

[NicholasMarks]

How far off then Nick?
Could it be any of the following?
5 days
5 weeks
5 months
5 years
5 decades
5 centuries

No one knows the hpur or the day Seb...except Almighty God who is in Heaven...you already know that so why not read all the signs that Biblically pin it to soon. Make it yourown personal project because we have all noticed just how concerned you are.

[NicholasMarks]

Or more likely, it might be that you are suffering 'brain-washing', induced by thousands of years of cultural conditioning underlaid by a complex of legacy human biases.

You appear to have no idea of what science is.  Science is a process, a bunch of methods for finding things out.  I'm sure someone must have already pointed this error out to you before.

Oh ye of little faith...your God is way ahead of us on science. He tells us constantly in his written word and Jesus...the son of Joseph and the son of God was an instrument sent to enable us to understand that science....when the time is ripe.

Ps...I have worked out why Jesus is in truth the son of Joseph...or at least...I have worked out the best answer. It is really quite startling...but...there we go.

Most of my science is built upon best answers when comparing the Holy Bible with modern science whereby the Holy Bible is always correct and the scientifc bible is stuck.

[bluehillside Retd.]

torri,

You appear to have no idea of what science is.  Science is a process, a bunch of methods for finding things out.  I'm sure someone must have already pointed this error out to you before.

Many, many times 

[Aruntraveller]

Ps...I have worked out why Jesus is in truth the son of Joseph...or at least...I have worked out the best answer. It is really quite startling...but...there we go.

You don't mean that Joseph and Mary were doing the old horizontal tango?

Quick pass the smelling salts.

[NicholasMarks]

You don't mean that Joseph and Mary were doing the old horizontal tango?

Quick pass the smelling salts.

No...that would call God a liar and anyway disgusting things aren't encouraged in righteous circumstances. No...it is much more startling than that...but it highlights certain experiences of a number of people in this day and age and proves that Almighty God is the most fantastic scientist and biologist this planet has ever known...but we already know this because of Adam and Eve.

[Aruntraveller]

No...it is much more startling than that...but it highlights certain experiences of a number of people in this day and age and proves that Almighty God is the most fantastic scientist and biologist this planet has ever known...but we already know this because of Adam and Eve.

SO are you going to share this startling revelation - or do we have to carry on guessing?

[NicholasMarks]

SO are you going to share this startling revelation - or do we have to carry on guessing?

Sometimes you have to weigh-up whether all the abuse is worth it. It seems that when people have convinced themselves there is no God...the sudden realisation that there is becomes too much for them to contain and I get the brunt of it, here...so...patience...all will be revealed in due course. But...be warned...we are looking at an omnipotent God who is watching our every move and who offers no salvation to the unrepentant.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

It seems that when people have convinced themselves there is no God...

You misunderstand. The atheist finds there to be no cogent argument for "God". "God" still might be, as indeed any other conjecture might be but your endless assertions here with no argument of any kind to support them are just so much white noise to anyone possessed of a functioning intellect. 

[NicholasMarks]

Sparky,

You misunderstand. The atheist finds there to be no cogent argument for "God". "God" still might be, as indeed any other conjecture might be but your endless assertions here with no argument of any kind to support them are just so much white noise to anyone possessed of a functioning intellect.

When you finally realise that the entire universe is the product of a wonderful, dynamic energy, that is the foundation stone of all science...sciences that are hardly known by modern science and that Almighty God via his 'word' made that science known to us...you may be in with a shout bluehillside...as it is you are haphazardly denying something which could have saved you...but if we are honest, that is getting less likely by the day.

[Sebastian Toe]

How far off then Nick?
Could it be any of the following?
5 days
5 weeks
5 months
5 years
5 decades
5 centuries

No one knows the hpur or the day Seb...except Almighty God who is in Heaven...you already know that so why not read all the signs that Biblically pin it to soon.

Well Nick, the reason I ask you is because it is you who has seemingly done all the 'research' and after all of that 'research' you have concluded that it will be 'soon'.

So please give us the benefit of your conclusions.
Where in the list I have given do you conclude it is most likely to fall.

Please not that I am not asking for a direct and 'accurate' date, just your best guess because we know that you cannot actually 'know' based on your reply above.

I'm sure that your God will not hold that against you as a guess is not a hard prediction is it?
(even although it is obvious, especially to him as he knows your every inner thoughts, that you have been trying for years to scare people with your hints at 'soon', 'just around the corner', 'imminent' etc!)

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

When you finally realise that the entire universe is the product of a wonderful, dynamic energy, that is the foundation stone of all science...sciences that are hardly known by modern science and that Almighty God via his 'word' made that science known to us...you may be in with a shout bluehillside...as it is you are haphazardly denying something which could have saved you...but if we are honest, that is getting less likely by the day.

How would you propose that I go about realising something I've been given no reason to think to be true?

[NicholasMarks]

Well Nick, the reason I ask you is because it is you who has seemingly done all the 'research' and after all of that 'research' you have concluded that it will be 'soon'.

So please give us the benefit of your conclusions.
Where in the list I have given do you conclude it is most likely to fall.

Please not that I am not asking for a direct and 'accurate' date, just your best guess because we know that you cannot actually 'know' based on your reply above.

I'm sure that your God will not hold that against you as a guess is not a hard prediction is it?
(even although it is obvious, especially to him as he knows your every inner thoughts, that you have been trying for years to scare people with your hints at 'soon', 'just around the corner', 'imminent' etc!)

You are missing the point Seb...as you always do...Everyone who wants salvation must have a working knowledge of why righteousness is good for you...your family...your neighbours....your friends...and your relationship with God's dynamic energy...if others can do it so can you. It all starts with the Gospels...it is between you and Jesus...I'm just trying to help you help yourself.

[jjohnjil]

Sparky,

How would you propose that I go about realising something I've been given no reason to think to be true?

Now that is untrue, Blue!  Nick has given year all of his knowledge and still you know nothing about God!

Oh, wait a minute though ... How can all of that knowledge add up to zero?   is there a mathematician in the house, please?

[torridon]

Ps...I have worked out why Jesus is in truth the son of Joseph...or at least...I have worked out the best answer. It is really quite startling...but...there we go.

Oooh, does that mean I have stimulated you into some more original thinking ?  Not sure whether I have done a good thing here or not. 

[NicholasMarks]

Sparky,

How would you propose that I go about realising something I've been given no reason to think to be true?

More or less what I just told Seb, bluehillside...do your own research...find out for yourself...Read the Gospels...do it privately and quietly...and do it by following Jesus accurately avoiding iniquity...and, you will be in with a shout.

I don't know your history...so no guarantees...but Almighty God does.

[NicholasMarks]

Oooh, does that mean I have stimulated you into some more original thinking ?  Not sure whether I have done a good thing here or not. 

Yes...I don't like addmiting it but it seems that the answer just presented itself after chewing over the fat a little and your post was certainly part of the gristle.

[torridon]

 

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

More or less what I just told Seb, bluehillside...do your own research...find out for yourself...Read the Gospels...do it privately and quietly...and do it by following Jesus accurately avoiding iniquity...and, you will be in with a shout.

I don't know your history...so no guarantees...but Almighty God does.

I can read them 'til I'm blue in the face thanks. The question remains though: why would I find them to be anything other than a collection of early texts trying to make sense of the world to the best of the abilities of the authors, who themselves knew less science than a modern nine-year-old? 

[NicholasMarks]

Sparky,

I can read them 'til I'm blue in the face thanks. The question remains though: why would I find them to be anything other than a collection of early texts trying to make sense of the world to the best of the abilities of the authors, who themselves knew less science than a modern nine-year-old?

Oh dear...the power of brain-washing...you have convinced yourself, aided by dawkinism, ooops...you don't like that word do you...aided by atheism that you are right when you are wrong. I cannot see how the world with all its beauty and nature can be in such a terrible state...until I realised that atheists are ruling the roost and these have no understanding of spiritual matters...so I thought I would help them.

Part of God's teaching is written for a 9 year old scientific intellect as we were 4000 years ago...but it also contains knowledge which can be opened up into a wonderful scientific text book which begins...In the beginning was the word and that word, which was with God, is the entire science of the universe.

You may wonder where Jesus features in this...well he delivered God's word by living it...whilst telling us what to expect in those 'last days'.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

Oh dear...the power of brain-washing...you have convinced yourself, aided by dawkinism, ooops...you don't like that word do you...aided by atheism that you are right when you are wrong. I cannot see how the world with all its beauty and nature can be in such a terrible state...until I realised that atheists are ruling the roost and these have no understanding of spiritual matters...so I thought I would help them.

Part of God's teaching is written for a 9 year old scientific intellect as we were 4000 years ago...but it also contains knowledge which can be opened up into a wonderful scientific text book which begins...In the beginning was the word and that word, which was with God, is the entire science of the universe.

You may wonder where Jesus features in this...well he delivered God's word by living it...whilst telling us what to expect in those 'last days'.

No - the logic leads where the logic leads. That you can never answer the questions you're actually asked just continues to undermine your un-argued and un-evidenced assertions here.   

[NicholasMarks]

Sparky,

No - the logic leads where the logic leads. That you can never answer the questions you're actually asked just continues to undermine your un-argued and un-evidenced assertions here.

It all brings the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ to the forefront of our thinking...You bluehillside refuse to acknowledge the slightest possibility that modern science could be right and that a powerful energy is at the root of everything...I have simply shown how we have known this for as long as the Holy Bible has been in existance. It has forged mighty nations and it has reached into the turmoil of the oppressed...in their millions. It is the structure behind every worthwhile institution...and all charity is best expressed by its teaching. A few old men shouting out that it doesn't exist wont make the slightest difference to the amount of goodness it is responsible for...but those old men should be warned...God's plan is near its final stages.

[Dicky Underpants]

Anyway, why do you need to obsess about this? According to your religion, Jesus is God. Why would he care about a poxy little kingdom that was smaller than almost all of the US states.

Nicky boy has been in part influenced by the Jehovah's Witnesses, and adopts the view of Arius about Jesus. Of course, he wanders away from the JWs' ideas whenever his flights of fancy take over.
I think he still tends to quote from the New World Translation though - not much, just the same old reiteration of three or four verses

[Dicky Underpants]

No one knows the hpur or the day Seb...except Almighty God who is in Heaven...you already know that so why not read all the signs that Biblically pin it to soon. Make it yourown personal project because we have all noticed just how concerned you are.

Jesus said he didn't know the day or hour, but knew the generation - his own.

Your favourite part of the Bible - Revelation - states at the beginning "every eye shall see him, and they that pierced him" - a pretty clear indication that those who crucified him would still be alive to see Jesus' return.

[Sebastian Toe]

You are missing the point Seb...as you always do...Everyone who wants salvation must have a working knowledge of why righteousness is good for you...your family...your neighbours....your friends...and your relationship with God's dynamic energy...if others can do it so can you. It all starts with the Gospels...it is between you and Jesus...I'm just trying to help you help yourself.

No, it is you, Super Slippy Nick, who is avoiding the point yet again.
You claim to have 'accurately' studied the coming of Wormwood and you tell us with graet bravado and confidence and assurance that it will be here 'soon', ' imminently' etc. Yet when asked to put your cards on the table for a rough estimate of even a guess - you go all shy all of a sudden.
Has your ' accuracy' the ability to dissappear for a period of time, only when you are pressed, then suddenly a short time later it appears again when you think nobody has noticed.
The mark of a shyster and con -  man Nick.