Sour Grapes All Round!

[Jack Knave]

https://euobserver.com/tickers/135270


“We have to accept the democratic decision and the shit campaign of Cameron,” German EU commissioner Gunther Oettinger said on Tuesday at a meeting of the European Telecommunications Network Operators’ Association, according to British newspaper The Times. “I’m sorry, that’s life and shit happens", Oettinger said. Former British PM David Cameron lost the referendum in June on Britain's EU exit.


Very diplomatic language!!!

Once again the EU failing to take responsibility for its fuck ups, from their perspective. They were the ones who missed judged the mood in the UK and gave Cameron nothing, thinking in their usual arrogant and 'divine right' way that the British people could be bullied into staying in their EU, elitist's shithole.

[Owlswing]

https://euobserver.com/tickers/135270


“We have to accept the democratic decision and the shit campaign of Cameron,” German EU commissioner Gunther Oettinger said on Tuesday at a meeting of the European Telecommunications Network Operators’ Association, according to British newspaper The Times. “I’m sorry, that’s life and shit happens", Oettinger said. Former British PM David Cameron lost the referendum in June on Britain's EU exit.


Very diplomatic language!!!

Once again the EU failing to take responsibility for its fuck ups, from their perspective. They were the ones who missed judged the mood in the UK and gave Cameron nothing, thinking in their usual arrogant and 'divine right' way that the British people could be bullied into staying in their EU, elitist's shithole.

In your nicely detailed description of the EU hierarchy you omitted one very important word - corrupt! Have you seen their expenses and they are the ones that they dare to publish - what about the rest?

[Brownie]

I don't know what expenses the EU hierarchy claim Owlswing but I've heard comments about them before so would be quite interested if you can point me in the right direction.  I've no objection to anyone claiming reasonable expenses or earning a lot of money but if they are really over the top, that's a different matter.

[Aruntraveller]

Have you seen their expenses and they are the ones that they dare to publish - what about the rest?

Yes - a certain Mr Farage seems very reluctant to give up his expenses.

Oh and do you remember this:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/may/24/mps-expenses-ukip-nigel-farage

[Brownie]

That's interesting Trent but is Farage typical of MEPs?  Given that he doesn't believe in the UK being in the EU, I wouldn't have thought so.  I daresay they are a mixed bunch.  No doubt the expenses system needs to be overhauled but I would have thought anyone doing that job is entitled to decent expenses.

[Aruntraveller]

That's interesting Trent but is Farage typical of MEPs?  Given that he doesn't believe in the UK being in the EU, I wouldn't have thought so.  I daresay they are a mixed bunch.  No doubt the expenses system needs to be overhauled but I would have thought anyone doing that job is entitled to decent expenses.

Yes I would think they are a mixed bunch and do deserve decent expenses. I just thought it was worth reminding some that St Nigel of Farage enjoys sticking his snout in the trough.

[Brownie]

Nothing surprises me about that man (not heard much of him in the last couple of weeks though - thankfully).

[Owlswing]

I don't know what expenses the EU hierarchy claim Owlswing but I've heard comments about them before so would be quite interested if you can point me in the right direction.  I've no objection to anyone claiming reasonable expenses or earning a lot of money but if they are really over the top, that's a different matter.

https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/articles/news/disgraced-mep-expelled-labour-party

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/02/two-meps-took-home-over-1million-each-in-salary-and-expenses-pay/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/may/27/expenses-meps-european-parliament

[L.A.]

https://euobserver.com/tickers/135270


“We have to accept the democratic decision and the shit campaign of Cameron,” German EU commissioner Gunther Oettinger said on Tuesday at a meeting of the European Telecommunications Network Operators’ Association, according to British newspaper The Times. “I’m sorry, that’s life and shit happens", Oettinger said. Former British PM David Cameron lost the referendum in June on Britain's EU exit.


Very diplomatic language!!!

Once again the EU failing to take responsibility for its fuck ups, from their perspective. They were the ones who missed judged the mood in the UK and gave Cameron nothing, thinking in their usual arrogant and 'divine right' way that the British people could be bullied into staying in their EU, elitist's shithole.

It might lack the finer points of diplomacy but it's fair comment. Cameron totally failed to squash the blatant lies of the Brexiteers and we are all paying the price.

[Jack Knave]

In your nicely detailed description of the EU hierarchy you omitted one very important word - corrupt! Have you seen their expenses and they are the ones that they dare to publish - what about the rest?

I'm well aware of that side of the EU but my OP was more about the hubris and the out of touch stubbornness of these blind elites. The EU and their Treaties are their gods, just as it was similarly the case with the Soviet Union.

[BashfulAnthony]

It might lack the finer points of diplomacy but it's fair comment. Cameron totally failed to squash the blatant lies of the Brexiteers and we are all paying the price.

L.A., hi,
Are you talking about that sincere up-front politician who never broke a promise, or lied, and simply radiated honesty and care for all?

[Jack Knave]

It might lack the finer points of diplomacy but it's fair comment. Cameron totally failed to squash the blatant lies of the Brexiteers and we are all paying the price.

The EU didn't give Cameron the tools to do the job. They are the ones at fault here. That was plain stupid of them!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

The EU didn't give Cameron the tools to do the job. They are the ones at fault here. That was plain stupid of them!

I don't care Jack. I want my share of Brexit prosperity, the 350 million quid to the NHS, No waiting in hospitals as promised in the referendum broadcasts and I want it now, when are the brexiteers going to come up with the goods?

[Nearly Sane]

I don't care Jack. I want my share of Brexit prosperity, the 350 million quid to the NHS, No waiting in hospitals as promised in the referendum broadcasts and I want it now, when are the brexiteers going to come up with the goods?

just to check though you may not be white enough for that?

[Jack Knave]

I don't care Jack. I want my share of Brexit prosperity, the 350 million quid to the NHS, No waiting in hospitals as promised in the referendum broadcasts and I want it now, when are the brexiteers going to come up with the goods?

Come on Vlad, you are an intelligent being, you know that Brexit is a process and will take time.

[Brownie]

I don't care Jack. I want my share of Brexit prosperity, the 350 million quid to the NHS, No waiting in hospitals as promised in the referendum broadcasts and I want it now, when are the brexiteers going to come up with the goods?

Do you have to wait long in hospitals, Vlad?  That hasn't been my experience, nor my husband's or anyone I know.  I've heard about such things on the news - but when is good news ever broadcast?

I'm going to look at the links you posted, Owl.  Thanks.
Done.  Peter Skinner expelled from Labour Party, seems to be the right action.
Not bothered about the rest, good for anyone if they can make a few bob legally.  I imagine the system will be overhauled and tightened up in the future so it will be more difficult - but won't affect us if we are out of the EU.

[Hope]

It might lack the finer points of diplomacy but it's fair comment. Cameron totally failed to squash the blatant lies of the Brexiteers and we are all paying the price.

But there in lies the problem; it can be very difficult to squash lies when there is no precedent to base such action on.

I notice from today's Metro that "Brexit vote 'costs City jobs'". (p.28)  Seem to remember that the Remain camp suggested that this would be result of a 'Leave' vote. 

[Nearly Sane]

But there in lies the problem; it can be very difficult to squash lies when there is no precedent to base such action on.

I notice from today's Metro that "Brexit vote 'costs City jobs'". (p.28)  Seem to remember that the Remain camp suggested that this would be result of a 'Leave' vote.

yep, mine is one of them. As were the 1800 others, including the 70 I sacked before mine went.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Do you have to wait long in hospitals, Vlad?  That hasn't been my experience, nor my husband's or anyone I know.

It varies.

[Aruntraveller]

I can assure you Brownie that if you aren't waiting long now - you will be very shortly, unless something extraordinary is done about the funding of the NHS.

Thinks - like maybe a mythical figure of £350 million a week!

Seriously, 90% of Trusts including the one I work in are really, really struggling with debts that keep mounting due to having to make year-on-year efficiency savings - or as I like to think of them in my quaint, old fashioned way - cuts.

The public and staff will suffer, unless there are dramatic changes to the funding structure.

[L.A.]

L.A., hi,
Are you talking about that sincere up-front politician who never broke a promise, or lied, and simply radiated honesty and care for all?

I'm talking about a well intentioned man who screwed-up.

[L.A.]

The EU didn't give Cameron the tools to do the job. They are the ones at fault here. That was plain stupid of them!

Cameron's problem was that he was fighting by Marquess of Queensberry rules when a baseball bat would have been more appropriate.

[BashfulAnthony]

I'm talking about a well intentioned man who screwed-up.

Morning,

You are very, very generous!  Did you not notice all the broken promises, or the spurious predictions he and Osborne perpetrated.  Did you not realise he was working for big business who funded his horrid Government.  The fact that he ran off when his house of cards collapsed showed what he was like when the crunch came.  He even makes me warm to Corbyn when I compare the two!

[L.A.]

Morning,

You very, very generous!  Did you not notice all the broken promises, or the spurious predictions he and Osborne perpetrated.  Did you not realise he was working for big business who funded his horrid Government.  The fact that he ran off when his house of cards collapsed showed what he was like when the crunch came.  He even makes me warm to Corbyn when I compare the two!

Osborne's dire predictions haven't gone away. It's a bit like a man falling off a cliff concluding that the the dangers are much over-rated.

Big Business employs millions, indirectly supports most small businesses and pays vast amounts of tax. We damage Big Business at our peril.

[BashfulAnthony]

I'm talking about a well intentioned man who screwed-up.

No, an incompetent, self-serving man who screwed up just about everything he touched. Don't forget Libya, and the consequences of that ill-planned intervention: how many lives have been lost because of that?  What a legacy:  Brexit catastrophe, Libya,  austerity, and the cuts to welfare for those with the least.  And where is he now?  Probably planning his own lucrative future.  He's a disgrace, in every sense.