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« Reply #100 on: October 08, 2016, 07:34:05 AM »
Dear Udayana, ( I do like that name, it kind of rolls of the tongue )

Good morning to you ;)

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- "an economy that works for everyone"
- "restoring fairness",
- "Making the market work for working people".

Is the everyone you talk about, everyone, everyone!! or just British everyone >:( I mean I am okay ( I am alright Jack ) I am wearing my Union Jack boxer shorts, so I am sorted, hell! I can even sing the whole national Anthem, even the bit about crushing those pesky rebellious Scots >:( Cut me and I bleed red, white and blue, so this everyone you talk about, hopefully it is just us British everyone and not those pesky foreigners who keep things like our NHS running, I know, I work with them, wonderful workers but they are so foreign :o

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« Reply #101 on: October 08, 2016, 09:41:54 AM »
Thing is, though, May wasn't speaking for 'britain' or the 'british' NHS - since there ain't no such animal. Scotland's NHS has been separate since 1947, and the various devolved governments have had no issues with the import - or indeed export - of skilled professionals.
"for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

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« Reply #102 on: October 08, 2016, 09:56:20 AM »
Dear Jim,

It is great to see you posting again old son, thing is you are talking to an auld Scottish Protestant, you know the type, the Gers, Union flag, God and the Queen, that type of nonsense, but I am working on it, if the Tories keep pushing at the same old same old, then I will be voting for Independence, it might be the best legacy I can leave the children of this country.

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« Reply #103 on: October 08, 2016, 10:01:18 AM »
Dear Jim,

It is great to see you posting again old son, thing is you are talking to an auld Scottish Protestant, you know the type, the Gers, Union flag, God and the Queen, that type of nonsense, but I am working on it, if the Tories keep pushing at the same old same old, then I will be voting for Independence, it might be the best legacy I can leave the children of this country.

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What miffed me - well, one of the many things, actually, was the continual use of 'british' - when some of the institutions May referred to have been separate since their creation, long before any devolution.
This, as you well know, is a sore point for most Scots, regardless of their stance on independence or political parties.
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« Reply #104 on: October 08, 2016, 10:23:04 AM »
Dear Jim,

Well old son! I have a smile on my face as I type this, the Tories are kneejerking to this brexit nonsense, trying to sound "oh so British" and I agree that somethings are not totally British, as in the NHS, but the thing for me personally is that I can now see through their smoke screen, their carnival hall of mirrors and I personally think that the British electorate have awoken from their political slumber and are now watching very closely ( that could be wishful thinking on my part ) I also think they are running scared of this Corbyn fellow and the clout of the SNP, the Tories need to step into the 21st century, compassion needs to be included in their politics, compassion for all, not just the so called Brits.

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« Reply #105 on: October 08, 2016, 10:44:04 AM »
Dear Udayana, ( I do like that name, it kind of rolls of the tongue )

Good morning to you ;)

Is the everyone you talk about, everyone, everyone!! or just British everyone >:( I mean I am okay ( I am alright Jack ) I am wearing my Union Jack boxer shorts, so I am sorted, hell! I can even sing the whole national Anthem, even the bit about crushing those pesky rebellious Scots >:( Cut me and I bleed red, white and blue, so this everyone you talk about, hopefully it is just us British everyone and not those pesky foreigners who keep things like our NHS running, I know, I work with them, wonderful workers but they are so foreign :o

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Best ask May, as those were her words. I do know that whatever she says to win the centre ground, even if well intentioned, her policies and party will act  to achieve the exact opposite. There will be more inequality, more discrimination and an economic shambles. She's even picked a date for triggering Article 50 that sounds good, about the "right" time, but doesn't take into account factors such as French and German elections that we know will affect how good a deal we will eventually get.

And how is anything Amber Rudd proposed consistent with those quotes? - Not that any of it is workable.
Ah, but I was so much older then ... I'm younger than that now

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« Reply #106 on: October 08, 2016, 11:05:53 AM »
Dear Udayana,

Good post ;) And you seem to be more up on the subject than I am, and you are right, the Tories are a train wreck waiting to happen, trouble is we are all passengers on that very train >:(

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« Reply #107 on: October 08, 2016, 11:07:09 AM »
From this side of the Tweed, May faces one almighty burach. This 'cover all' brexit bill could cause a stushie here. The ECHR was enshrined in the Scotland Bill 1997 - and Westminster asked the Scots to approve it before enacting it - thus creating the Scottish Parlament. A further two Westminster acts have further entangled the constitution of that parliament in EU legislation. A Westminster bill to remove EU legislation, ECHR, etc, from the Scottish constitution would, of necessity (thanks to that self same legislation passed by Westminster) require Holyrood's approval. Since the Greens, Lib Dems and SLAB as well as SNP are adamantly opposed to any changes in the Scotland Act, the scene is set for yet more confrontation. Brexit doesn't mean brexit - it may mean a constitutional hiatus of massive proportion.
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« Reply #108 on: October 08, 2016, 11:23:39 AM »
Dear Sassenachs,

Oor Jim is back, but not to worry I will translate, burach = a mess, stushie = a quarrel/argument, oh! and sassenachs, could be a derogatory term for any Englishman, but not to worry, I myself am a sassenach, a term for any lowlander in Scotland :P :P

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« Reply #109 on: October 08, 2016, 11:28:24 AM »
Dear Sassenachs,

Oor Jim is back, but not to worry I will translate, burach = a mess, stushie = a quarrel/argument, oh! and sassenachs, could be a derogatory term for any Englishman, but not to worry, I myself am a sassenach, a term for any lowlander in Scotland :P :P

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.......Sassenach can also refer to Lowland Scots, though!
"for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

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« Reply #110 on: October 08, 2016, 11:33:59 AM »
This one is for Jim (and any other fans of all things 'Who'):

"Don't you think she looks tired?"
Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.

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« Reply #111 on: October 08, 2016, 11:38:09 AM »
This one is for Jim (and any other fans of all things 'Who'):

"Don't you think she looks tired?"
This one is for Jim (and any other fans of all things 'Who'):

"Don't you think she looks tired?"
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Harriet Jones - now, There's a Prime Minister May might look at in depth........
"for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

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« Reply #112 on: October 08, 2016, 01:16:44 PM »
Thing is, though, May wasn't speaking for 'britain' or the 'british' NHS - since there ain't no such animal. Scotland's NHS has been separate since 1947, and the various devolved governments have had no issues with the import - or indeed export - of skilled professionals.
Neither, to be fair has the UK government up till now.

In 2015, net immigration was about 330,000 people. Just over half of them were from the EU. However, the remaining half were from outside the EU which means we don't have to let them in. So, if immigration is such a huge problem, why didn't  the government cut it in half?

There is no political will to deal with the immigration "problem" for a couple of reasons:

Immigrants tend to be net contributors to the government's coffers. They are more likely to be paying taxes and less likely to be using the NHS and drawing a pension than the indigenous population.

The problem isn't really a problem at all. 330,000 is less than 0.5% of the population and that is a historic high. Once Brexit kicks in and the economy tanks, we'll probably find that we have net emigration. The UK population is only going up at all because of immigrants.

Finally, 330,000 is just a number. Reducing it to, say, 100,000 is a story, but it's a pretty abstract story. "UK Immigration officers deny mother right of entry to be with her husband and children" is also a story but it's a human story that people can relate to. If we significantly reduce immigration, we'll get many more stories like that. That's the kind of publicity the government doesn't want.

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« Reply #113 on: October 08, 2016, 01:22:26 PM »
I also think they are running scared of this Corbyn fellow
Nobody is running scared of Corbyn except the Parliamentary Labour Party. When they look at what is happening to Labour, the only thing the Tories are scared of is wetting themselves through laughing to much.

British politics is an utter shambles at the moment.
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« Reply #114 on: October 08, 2016, 01:33:51 PM »
Nobody is running scared of Corbyn except the Parliamentary Labour Party. When they look at what is happening to Labour, the only thing the Tories are scared of is wetting themselves through laughing to much.

British politics is an utter shambles at the moment.


I second that sentiment.  The lack of an ability to organise a piss up in brewery springs to mind.
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« Reply #115 on: October 08, 2016, 01:38:00 PM »
Dear Jeremyp,

Well I was about to say nice post ( the one before your last ) and to add, well that seems to be what the Brexiteers want, a government which is tough on migrants, and that is who the Tories are playing too, the brexiteers.

As for Mr Corbyn, one Tory has already come as saying, ignore the man at your peril.

Mr Corbyn in my opinion is a quietly spoken intelligent fighter, he will keep chipping away at the true enemy of this country, the Tories, the Labour party needs to shut up about Corbyn and start to back the man, once that happens, the Lib Dems, Greens, SNP will join him in the house to bring the Tories down.

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« Reply #116 on: October 08, 2016, 04:55:08 PM »

Mr Corbyn in my opinion is a quietly spoken intelligent fighter,


But he's also fucking useless.

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he will keep chipping away at the true enemy of this country, the Tories, the Labour party needs to shut up about Corbyn and start to back the man, once that happens, the Lib Dems, Greens, SNP will join him in the house to bring the Tories down.

The Labour Party does back Corbyn. The problem is that he is useless and the reason the Parliamentary Party doesn't like him is that they, who have to work with him every day, know it.
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« Reply #117 on: October 08, 2016, 05:09:11 PM »
Gordon Bennet....I agree with JeremyP......
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« Reply #118 on: October 08, 2016, 07:45:36 PM »
Because the budget has to be agreed by all member states, and therefore each has a veto. Therefore the only way that that rebate could be altered would be if the UK itself voted for it to be altered.
When did the EU keep to its rules when to do so would mean to hinder its ever closer union project and selfish desires?

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« Reply #119 on: October 08, 2016, 07:50:48 PM »
When did the EU keep to its rules when to do so would mean to hinder its ever closer union project and selfish desires?
Please give me an example where the EU has over-ruled a veto from a member state on an issue where all member states must agree for the issue to be passed.

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« Reply #120 on: October 08, 2016, 08:06:49 PM »
Gordon Bennet....I agree with JeremyP......
I second that!!!

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« Reply #121 on: October 08, 2016, 08:10:57 PM »
Please give me an example where the EU has over-ruled a veto from a member state on an issue where all member states must agree for the issue to be passed.
That's not what I said.

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« Reply #122 on: October 08, 2016, 08:37:52 PM »
Dear Jack, Jim and Jeremyp, ( the three "J's" sounds like a soul band )

Well that is three names I will keep in mind when you all eat humble pie.

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« Reply #123 on: October 08, 2016, 08:52:59 PM »
Dear Jack, Jim and Jeremyp, ( the three "J's" sounds like a soul band )

Well that is three names I will keep in mind when you all eat humble pie.

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Sorry,

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Regardless of the value of his policies/ideas etc. the guy can't lead and run a party. He is a Mr Bean of politics.

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« Reply #124 on: October 08, 2016, 09:39:46 PM »
Dear Jack,

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Regardless of the value of his policies/ideas etc. the guy can't lead and run a party. He is a Mr Bean of politics.

Course he is, the media have told you ;)

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