Pat Robertson and U S Evangelical Christianity show their ugliest of faces again

[Owlswing]

Does anyone on this forum truly agree with this man's words and suggested actions?


http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/09/pat-robertson-non-religious-children-should-be-beaten-until-they-respect-christian-beliefs/

[Aruntraveller]

I'd like to say I'm shocked and surprised - but the US is rapidly losing its ability to do either of those things as far as I am concerned.

Don't get me wrong I know we do have wingnuts in this country but surely not in such numbers and seldom with the sheer, unbelievable stupidity shown for all the world to see. Maybe our nutters hide their stupidity better? 

Oh and obviously I don't agree with him.

[Brownie]

Neither do I agree with him, what he says is appalling. In any case, what he suggests would not have the desired effect!
I also think the person who comments, Karen, could handle things better with her daughter and family;  a little grace and goodwill on both sides would help.  Tolerance of bolshie teenagers for a start, her grandson is probably quite normal by most standards and in five years will have calmed down a bit.  Does she want to completely alienate her family?

It's beyond me why people are so extreme, or what they get out of it apart from a sense of self-righteousness.

[Nearly Sane]

He's a dangerous loon, all religions and no religion have them. Not really sure what point other than don't listen to Pat Robertson (and that's far from a new lesson) can be taken from this

[Hope]

Does anyone on this forum truly agree with this man's words and suggested actions?


http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/09/pat-robertson-non-religious-children-should-be-beaten-until-they-respect-christian-beliefs/

No, but I would also wholly disagree with the wording of your thread title.  I know a lot of Evangelical US Christians and I would have to say that probably 0.5% are remotely like Pat Robertson.  The vast majority are involved in work, full-time or voluntary, with the homeless, the destitute, the poor, the bereaved; with social welfare programs, environmental programs, programs to reduce the wealth gap, the housing gap, the health gap; etc.  I realise that it is a convenient label to tag people with, but in the same way, left-wing Labour supporters are often labelled 'Marxist', 'Momentum supporters', 'Socialist', etc. - many of them are not, though they probably are 'socialists' (note the small 's').

The very term 'Evangelical' when used in the way you use it here has little or no relevance to real evangelicalism, even in the US.  Yes, I agree that some Southern Baptists are pretty extreme, but SB's make up about 20% of the total Christian population (circa 16 million out of 83 million), and those that are akin to the Westboro Baptists are probably 20% of that smaller figure - so about 3.2 million.

[Hope]

I'd like to say I'm shocked and surprised - but the US is rapidly losing its ability to do either of those things as far as I am concerned.

Don't get me wrong I know we do have wingnuts in this country but surely not in such numbers and seldom with the sheer, unbelievable stupidity shown for all the world to see. Maybe our nutters hide their stupidity better? 

Oh and obviously I don't agree with him.

May be not in so many numbers, but I do wonder whether we are ahead on proportions, Trent.

[Hope]

It's beyond me why people are so extreme, or what they get out of it apart from a sense of self-righteousness.

I think that extremism is part and parcel of human nature, and some people have a lower ability to control it.  After all, we get extremism in just about every walk of life, from environmentalism to politics, from religion to science.

[Brownie]

That is true.

[Owlswing]

No, but I would also wholly disagree with the wording of your thread title.  I know a lot of Evangelical US Christians and I would have to say that probably 0.5% are remotely like Pat Robertson. The vast majority are involved in work, full-time or voluntary, with the homeless, the destitute, the poor, the bereaved; with social welfare programs, environmental programs, programs to reduce the wealth gap, the housing gap, the health gap; etc.  I realise that it is a convenient label to tag people with, but in the same way, left-wing Labour supporters are often labelled 'Marxist', 'Momentum supporters', 'Socialist', etc. - many of them are not, though they probably are 'socialists' (note the small 's').

The very term 'Evangelical' when used in the way you use it here has little or no relevance to real evangelicalism, even in the US.  Yes, I agree that some Southern Baptists are pretty extreme, but SB's make up about 20% of the total Christian population (circa 16 million out of 83 million), and those that are akin to the Westboro Baptists are probably 20% of that smaller figure - so about 3.2 million.

Why do the highlighted words not surprise me? I have yet to see a religious group that you do NOT know a 'lot' of or a religious doctrine extant anywhere in the world that you are NOT completely or partially familiar with.

As to your figures 3.2 million people, of any religion, who adhere to the same views as expressed by this man are about 3.19999999999 million too many.

[Sebastian Toe]

, and those that are akin to the Westboro Baptists are probably 20% of that smaller figure - so about 3.2 million.

So more than the entire population of Jamaica, wow!

[Brownie]

Half that amount would be too many.

[Owlswing]

Half that amount would be too many.

Ain't that the truth!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

So more than the entire population of Jamaica,

Jamaica?............No she went on her own accord.

[floo]

Does anyone on this forum truly agree with this man's words and suggested actions?


http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/09/pat-robertson-non-religious-children-should-be-beaten-until-they-respect-christian-beliefs/

He is a dangerous lunatic!

[BeRational]

He could die at any time.

So why doesn't he!

[Brownie]

He can't last that much longer.
I've thought the same about Mugabe.

[floo]

He could die at any time.

So why doesn't he!

He would certainly be no loss to the world when he does the decent thing and kicks the bucket!

[Aruntraveller]

He would certainly be no loss to the world when he does the decent thing and kicks the bucket!

So as a side issue Floo, I am a little perplexed.

You post with so much force and certainty on these sort of threads and yet your signature reads:

“The more right you think you are, the more wrong you are likely to be.” RJG

Are we to take it that the more vehement your posts are, the more likely you are to be wrong? 

[floo]

I am ALWAYS right, even when I am wrong!

[Bubbles]

No, but I would also wholly disagree with the wording of your thread title.  I know a lot of Evangelical US Christians and I would have to say that probably 0.5% are remotely like Pat Robertson.  The vast majority are involved in work, full-time or voluntary, with the homeless, the destitute, the poor, the bereaved; with social welfare programs, environmental programs, programs to reduce the wealth gap, the housing gap, the health gap; etc.  I realise that it is a convenient label to tag people with, but in the same way, left-wing Labour supporters are often labelled 'Marxist', 'Momentum supporters', 'Socialist', etc. - many of them are not, though they probably are 'socialists' (note the small 's').

The very term 'Evangelical' when used in the way you use it here has little or no relevance to real evangelicalism, even in the US.  Yes, I agree that some Southern Baptists are pretty extreme, but SB's make up about 20% of the total Christian population (circa 16 million out of 83 million), and those that are akin to the Westboro Baptists are probably 20% of that smaller figure - so about 3.2 million.

He's got a lot of supporters and thought to be worth about 200 million.

Can't stand the bloke!
Him and Trump! What a pair!  Ya couldn't invent such a pair of larger than life characters, no one would believe they were for real.
His first name is Marion which he doesn't use because he thinks it's effeminate............... Like someone " might think he's gay " 

He's made all sorts of bigoted remarks

Robertson's response to the 2010 Haiti earthquake also drew controversy and condemnation.[61][62] Robertson claimed that Haiti's founders had sworn a "pact to the Devil" in order to liberate themselves from the French slave owners and indirectly attributed the earthquake to the consequences of the Haitian people being "cursed" for doing so.[63][64] CBN later issued a statement saying that Robertson's comments "were based on the widely-discussed 1791 slave rebellion led by Dutty Boukman at Bois Caïman, where the slaves allegedly made a famous pact with the devil in exchange for victory over the French."[65][66] Various figures in mainline and evangelical[67] Christianity have on occasion disavowed some of Robertson's remarks.[61][68]

Predictions

Several times near New Year, Robertson has announced that God told him several truths or events that would happen in the following year. "I have a relatively good track record," he said. "Sometimes I miss."[69]

1982: Doomsday
In late 1976, Robertson predicted that the end of the world was coming in October or November 1982. In a May 1980 broadcast of The 700 Club he stated, "I guarantee you by the end of 1982 there is going to be a judgment on the world."[70]

In September 2011, Robertson and several others who incorrectly predicted various dates for the end of world were jointly awarded an Ig Nobel Prize for "teaching the world to be careful when making mathematical assumptions and calculations".[71][72]


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Robertson

1982 has come and gone  heaven forbid some Haitian should fight against their slavery  ( I wonder what he thinks they did this time to get the awful hurricane Matthew)

Just call him Marion, it is after all his real name 

[Brownie]

John Wayne was also called Marion and no-one could have been more effeminate them him  .   As if anyone was fooled when he started calling himself, "John", honestly!
Marion is a good name, 'Star of the Sea' and all that.  Marion Trump has a ring to it.

[Bubbles]

John Wayne was also called Marion and no-one could have been more effeminate them him  .   As if anyone was fooled when he started calling himself, "John", honestly!
Marion is a good name, 'Star of the Sea' and all that.  Marion Trump has a ring to it.

It's Marion Robertson, Brownie 

pat Robinsons first name.

[floo]

He's got a lot of supporters and thought to be worth about 200 million.

Can't stand the bloke!
Him and Trump! What a pair!  Ya couldn't invent such a pair of larger than life characters, no one would believe they were for real.
His first name is Marion which he doesn't use because he thinks it's effeminate............... Like someone " might think he's gay " 

He's made all sorts of bigoted remarks

1982 has come and gone  heaven forbid some Haitian should fight against their slavery  ( I wonder what he thinks they did this time to get the awful hurricane Matthew)

Just call him Marion, it is after all his real name 

Marion, just like John Wayne! Robertson is another guy who makes Christianity look bad!

[Brownie]

It's Marion Robertson, Brownie 

pat Robinsons ? first name.

Yeah, I'm gittin' confused in me old age.

[SteveH]

He changed it to Pat because he's not the Marion kind.