Let’s Recap on Our Saviour

[NicholasMarks]

As children we often get caught up in the nativity story. Why not…it is a wonderful tale about a wonderful person who was born in total humble circumstances, to bring peace and harmony to the world??

Besides his humble beginning, there is another aspect to his birth which is often overlooked…and…in this day and age is also a very important part of that story. Remember that star…that brilliant star that drifted over the desert plain leading the shepherds to, and stopping over a stable. The angels playing a huge part in painting the nativity landscape for us.
In a more modern setting that star could only be described as a UFO…and this gives us a new dimension to this story.

Jesus Christ is a very special person and with all this performance to get him established…why don't people believe him??

 

[floo]

As children we often get caught up in the nativity story. Why not…it is a wonderful tale about a wonderful person who was born in total humble circumstances, to bring peace and harmony to the world??

Besides his humble beginning, there is another aspect to his birth which is often overlooked…and…in this day and age is also a very important part of that story. Remember that star…that brilliant star that drifted over the desert plain leading the shepherds to, and stopping over a stable. The angels playing a huge part in painting the nativity landscape for us.
In a more modern setting that star could only be described as a UFO…and this gives us a new dimension to this story.

Jesus Christ is a very special person and with all this performance to get him established…why don't people believe him??

WOW who would have guessed the Star of Bethlehem was really a UFO!

Many people don't believe the stories surrounding Jesus to have any credibility. A virgin conceiving was not credible in those day as IVF hadn't been invented. The pretty Nativity scene is lovely, but I am willing to bet his birth was nothing like that. I reckon the miracles attributed to Jesus were either highly exaggerated or untrue, and when he died he stayed dead.

[NicholasMarks]

WOW who would have guessed the Star of Bethlehem was really a UFO!

Many people don't believe the stories surrounding Jesus to have any credibility. A virgin conceiving was not credible in those day as IVF hadn't been invented. The pretty Nativity scene is lovely, but I am willing to bet his birth was nothing like that. I reckon the miracles attributed to Jesus were either highly exaggerated or untrue, and when he died he stayed dead.

That's it then Floo, done and dusted...except that this person, and indeed the written word prior to his coming said some startling things about him...and for many, these have come true...and for many more it is due to come true.

Remember, that after the faithful it is the oppressed that Jesus wanted to help so perhaps many here are way down his list but even so you too can learn the wonderful truth that many seem totally opposed to.

It won't make the slightest difference  how vehemently we might protest...Jesus Christ is the saviour of the human race who will be saved.

[floo]

That's it then Floo, done and dusted...except that this person, and indeed the written word prior to his coming said some startling things about him...and for many, these have come true...and for many more it is due to come true.

Remember, that after the faithful it is the oppressed that Jesus wanted to help so perhaps many here are way down his list but even so you too can learn the wonderful truth that many seem totally opposed to.

It won't make the slightest difference  how vehemently we might protest...Jesus Christ is the saviour of the human race who will be saved.

It is done and dusted as far as I am concerned until there is verifiable evidence the stories surrounding Jesus are true, which there isn't.

As I have said before, many times, when I was a believer as a child of 11, I prayed and prayed very sincerely to Jesus to give me some sign he existed. I had a problem which gave me sleepless nights and nightmares for several years. I certainly couldn't have shared it with my parents. I never once had the slightest indication he existed somewhere. Surely if he was alive and gave a damn he wouldn't let a child down?

[torridon]

It won't make the slightest difference  how vehemently we might protest...Jesus Christ is the saviour of the human race who will be saved.

Doesn't really make any sense.  If there is a god, a good god, that is, he wouldn't put us in jeopardy such that we need rescue in the first place.

[floo]

Doesn't really make any sense.  If there is a god, a good god, that is, he wouldn't put us in jeopardy such that we need rescue in the first place.

You are right, it wouldn't.

[Sassy]

Doesn't really make any sense.  If there is a god, a good god, that is, he wouldn't put us in jeopardy such that we need rescue in the first place.

Who put you in jeopardy.  What is the difference between creating a paradise and telling Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of only one tree because it was bad for them. -and - Then telling you to believe in the Son of God who died to save you so if you believe in him you have eternal life and life here in all it's fullness?

You see you and they placed themselves in jeopardy when they refused to believe what they were told.
Adam and Eve put you in a place where you need to be rescued. And they like you end up in jeopardy because you choose to disobey God as they did.  Only yourselves to blame.

[floo]

Who put you in jeopardy.  What is the difference between creating a paradise and telling Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of only one tree because it was bad for them. -and - Then telling you to believe in the Son of God who died to save you so if you believe in him you have eternal life and life here in all it's fullness?

You see you and they placed themselves in jeopardy when they refused to believe what they were told.
Adam and Eve put you in a place where you need to be rescued. And they like you end up in jeopardy because you choose to disobey God as they did.  Only yourselves to blame.

Telling them not to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge was an open invitation for them to do so. God is supposed to have created human nature so it knew exactly what they would do, therefore it set them up!

[NicholasMarks]

Floo/torriden...

According to my own experiences every prayer is answered. They are answered by the simple fact that I was daily filled with the strength to cope in dire circumstances. Jesus promises us his father answers every prayer and as the rest of God's righteous science became known to me I realised that our most vital need is to be able to cope and repair and restore until our whole life is where it might have been if we had spent our youthful time and energy more wisely.

Now, I want to help others because I have realised that, though we are all different we each have the same mechanics working away within us and like our television set, it just wont work properly without a solid energy supply and a properly tuned in aerial. 

[floo]

Floo/torriden...

According to my own experiences every prayer is answered. They are answered by the simple fact that I was daily filled with the strength to cope in dire circumstances. Jesus promises us his father answers every prayer and as the rest of God's righteous science became known to me I realised that our most vital need is to be able to cope and repair and restore until our whole life is where it might have been if we had spent our youthful time and energy more wisely.

Now, I want to help others because I have realised that, though we are all different we each have the same mechanics working away within us and like our television set, it just wont work properly without a solid energy supply and a properly tuned in aerial.

Prayer isn't answered according to my experience, and mine is as valid as yours, imo!

[NicholasMarks]

Prayer isn't answered according to my experience, and mine is as valid as yours, imo!

Then we should look at where your prayers went wrong, Floo.

Turning to iniquity isn't the answer to getting prayers right...it is best achieved by finding a quiet place out of earshot of others. We have to tune in to God's frequency in the way Jesus taught us, we have to be practising righteousness, we have to have patience and confidence to allow the problems to pass in an appropriate way and then we have to be mindful that what we think is the best solution isn't necessarily God's or Jesus' solution.

It's a certain fact that if you show righteous integrity others look at you more respectfully...

It's all to do with upbuilding a righteous spirit...I hope this helps.

[floo]

Then we should look at where your prayers went wrong, Floo.

Turning to iniquity isn't the answer to getting prayers right...it is best achieved by finding a quiet place out of earshot of others. We have to tune in to God's frequency in the way Jesus taught us, we have to be practising righteousness, we have to have patience and confidence to allow the problems to pass in an appropriate way and then we have to be mindful that what we think is the best solution isn't necessarily God's or Jesus' solution.

It's a certain fact that if you show righteous integrity others look at you more respectfully...

It's all to do with upbuilding a righteous spirit...I hope this helps.

Oh come on NM, I was a kid of 11 what sort of entity expects a kid to know exactly how to go about praying, if there is a right way to do it? It was for Jesus to do the right thing by me, not leave it up to guess work!

[torridon]

Then we should look at where your prayers went wrong, Floo.

Turning to iniquity isn't the answer to getting prayers right...it is best achieved by finding a quiet place out of earshot of others. We have to tune in to God's frequency in the way Jesus taught us, we have to be practising righteousness, we have to have patience and confidence to allow the problems to pass in an appropriate way and then we have to be mindful that what we think is the best solution isn't necessarily God's or Jesus' solution.

It's a certain fact that if you show righteous integrity others look at you more respectfully...

Then develop the 'righteous integrity' to listen to and learn from the experience of others, like Floo.  No sign of that from you as of yet.

[Sebastian Toe]

In a more modern setting that star could only be described as a UFO…and this gives us a new dimension to this story.

No.
In a modern day setting it could be described as for example a super nova.
That therefore puts paid to your ONLY.

Unless of course in the Sparktionary, another word has been mangled - and there 'only' means 'one of several options'.!
Does it?

[Khatru]

As children we often get caught up in the nativity story. Why not…it is a wonderful tale about a wonderful person who was born in total humble circumstances, to bring peace and harmony to the world??

Besides his humble beginning, there is another aspect to his birth which is often overlooked…and…in this day and age is also a very important part of that story. Remember that star…that brilliant star that drifted over the desert plain leading the shepherds to, and stopping over a stable. The angels playing a huge part in painting the nativity landscape for us.
In a more modern setting that star could only be described as a UFO…and this gives us a new dimension to this story.

Jesus Christ is a very special person and with all this performance to get him established…why don't people believe him??

Stop listening to Chris de Burgh.

[NicholasMarks]

No.
In a modern day setting it could be described as for example a super nova.
That therefore puts paid to your ONLY.

Unless of course in the Sparktionary, another word has been mangled - and there 'only' means 'one of several options'.!
Does it?

I think your hovering on repentance Seb. Realising that the authority that owns the Holy Bible truly is a being who can demand the obedience that he deems necessary to keep this planet in good order, for ever more, must be daunting.

Don't worry too much...we know he is a loving, caring God, and his son reflects this but he doesn't suffer sinners easily so its wise to reconsider your position...but don't waste too much time doing it...Wormwood has no brakes.

[NicholasMarks]

Oh come on NM, I was a kid of 11 what sort of entity expects a kid to know exactly how to go about praying, if there is a right way to do it? It was for Jesus to do the right thing by me, not leave it up to guess work!

I am not going to undermine any prayers, just explain my own experiences. These revolve exclusively around bullying and I can say positively that prayer delivers a strength which bullying tries to steal from you. If you look at anyone who has been bullied for a very long time you don't see a healthy person. Look at the Jews in the concentration camps...look at the hysterical mess of any oppressed people...look at the residue of Jimmy Savile's bullying...look at children or wives who have been bullied to excess. There is clear evidence that this denial of emotional strength has a distinct impact on our health...so who can argue that repairing this state by following Jesus' righteous teaching is worthy of great scientific inquiry??

If Dawkin concentrated on what makes the living-cell function in a healthy and reliable way he should look no further than the accurate, righteous teaching of Jesus Christ.

[jeremyp]

Then we should look at where your prayers went wrong, Floo.

Why? That would assume that Foo is wrong and you are right. Should we not look back at where you were fooled?

[floo]

I am not going to undermine any prayers, just explain my own experiences. These revolve exclusively around bullying and I can say positively that prayer delivers a strength which bullying tries to steal from you. If you look at anyone who has been bullied for a very long time you don't see a healthy person. Look at the Jews in the concentration camps...look at the hysterical mess of any oppressed people...look at the residue of Jimmy Savile's bullying...look at children or wives who have been bullied to excess. There is clear evidence that this denial of emotional strength has a distinct impact on our health...so who can argue that repairing this state by following Jesus' righteous teaching is worthy of great scientific inquiry??

If Dawkin concentrated on what makes the living-cell function in a healthy and reliable way he should look no further than the accurate, righteous teaching of Jesus Christ.

I have to hand it to you NM, your explanations are something else they really are!

[Sebastian Toe]

I think your hovering on repentance Seb. Realising that the authority that owns the Holy Bible truly is a being who can demand the obedience that he deems necessary to keep this planet in good order, for ever more, must be daunting.

Don't worry too much...we know he is a loving, caring God, and his son reflects this but he doesn't suffer sinners easily so its wise to reconsider your position...but don't waste too much time doing it...Wormwood has no brakes.

I'll take that a a tactic admission that you were wrong then.

Nick if you had a valid point which was anywhere near to the size of a microbes arse I might well be hovering on repentance.
However as I  could write the total amount of sense that your posts contain on a piece of toilet paper used to wipe the shite off said microbes arse  -  my feet are currently firmly planted on the ground of terra normality.

[NicholasMarks]

Why? That would assume that Foo is wrong and you are right. Should we not look back at where you were fooled?

If one person gets a result and the  other doesn't it is better to look at why the one that doesn't, doesn't.

You see jeremyp...it isn't just me saying about the value of prayer, millions of others say they do too. I have already pointed out that psychoanalysis is a derivative of prayer and also confession has similarities of both, not to mention the work of the Samaritans...so I suspect you haven't given this too much thought...have you??

The point I was making is that strength to cope with a difficult situation is a worthwhile product of prayer and there is a science which says that is the positive result of every prayer.


 

[floo]

If one person gets a result and the  other doesn't it is better to look at why the one that doesn't, doesn't.

You see jeremyp...it isn't just me saying about the value of prayer, millions of others say they do too. I have already pointed out that psychoanalysis is a derivative of prayer and also confession has similarities of both, not to mention the work of the Samaritans...so I suspect you haven't given this too much thought...have you??

The point I was making is that strength to cope with a difficult situation is a worthwhile product of prayer and there is a science which says that is the positive result of every prayer.

As has been pointed out millions could be wrong. What about the many people who believe mediums can contact the dead, I suspect you don't believe that to be true, or am I wrong?

[NicholasMarks]

As has been pointed out millions could be wrong. What about the many people who believe mediums can contact the dead, I suspect you don't believe that to be true, or am I wrong?

It doesn't matter whether it is right or wrong as far as mediums are concerned Floo...we are told to avoid the lot of them. Jesus Christ is the only teaching we really need in this matter...and that is pretty deep in righteous spiritual teaching.

[Sebastian Toe]

It doesn't matter whether it is right or wrong as far as mediums are concerned Floo...we are told to avoid the lot of them. Jesus Christ is the only teaching we really need in this matter...and that is pretty deep in righteous spiritual teaching.

Do you avoid everyone who is 'wrong'?

[floo]

It doesn't matter whether it is right or wrong as far as mediums are concerned Floo...we are told to avoid the lot of them. Jesus Christ is the only teaching we really need in this matter...and that is pretty deep in righteous spiritual teaching.

Where does the Bible say though shalt not go to a medium? (Not that I would of course, I hasten to add) How does a medium claiming to be in contact with the dead differ from those who think god/Jesus is communicating with them directly?