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The centre ground
« on: October 06, 2016, 12:48:06 PM »


According to this Owen Smith thought the Tory conference was about the centre ground. Mmm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/owen-smith-centre-ground-jeremy-corbyn-speech-labour-leadership-contest-a7347501.html

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Re: The centre ground
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2016, 01:09:22 PM »

According to this Owen Smith thought the Tory conference was about the centre ground. Mmm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/owen-smith-centre-ground-jeremy-corbyn-speech-labour-leadership-contest-a7347501.html

While Corbyn is still busy occupying the ground vacated by Stalin  :)
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Re: The centre ground
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2016, 02:29:58 PM »
While Corbyn is still busy occupying the ground vacated by Stalin  :)

Talking bollocks. I don't like Corbyn but this kind of vapid misrepresentation is stupid.
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Re: The centre ground
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2016, 03:45:08 PM »
Talking bollocks. I don't like Corbyn but this kind of vapid misrepresentation is stupid.


You might be right, Corbyn himself is too bloody useless to organise anything. It's his Minions that do all the dirty work.
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Re: The centre ground
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2016, 03:48:09 PM »

You might be right, Corbyn himself is too bloody useless to organise anything. It's his Minions that do all the dirty work.
and are they killing millions?

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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2016, 03:50:03 PM »
and are they killing millions?

Non Corbynister Labour MP's have received death threats . . . so who knows?
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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2016, 03:55:01 PM »
Non Corbynister Labour MP's have received death threats . . . so who knows?
and so has Corbyn. I suggest you need to stop digging.

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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2016, 04:14:01 PM »
and so has Corbyn. I suggest you need to stop digging.

The non-Corbynistas have complained for a long time of systematic threats and harassment.

If we can learn anything from the murder of Jo Cox it's that these threats may be real. You can't assume that all of these pathetic specimens of humanity are harmless.
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« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2016, 05:19:16 PM »
The non-Corbynistas have complained for a long time of systematic threats and harassment.

If we can learn anything from the murder of Jo Cox it's that these threats may be real. You can't assume that all of these pathetic specimens of humanity are harmless.
And if you use the "no smoke without fire" approach that applies to what has gone on with Corbyn. Comparing any of this to a leader who murdered millions is laughable.

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« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2016, 06:03:42 PM »
And if you use the "no smoke without fire" approach that applies to what has gone on with Corbyn. Comparing any of this to a leader who murdered millions is laughable.

Yes, that is the general idea of caricature.

Corbyn himself (as I have pointed out) is no Stalin, however the Corbynistas contain amongst their ranks some pretty far left types, many of whom are quite prepared to use intimidation to further their ends.
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Re: The centre ground
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2016, 07:40:55 PM »
There will not be another labour government for decades. Corbyn will lose the next election by a lot and still hang on in there, blaming somebody else.
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Re: The centre ground
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2016, 08:49:15 PM »

According to this Owen Smith thought the Tory conference was about the centre ground. Mmm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/owen-smith-centre-ground-jeremy-corbyn-speech-labour-leadership-contest-a7347501.html
Well, I thought it was. It seemed to me to move on to Labour's traditional patch and the UKIP's rhetoric they have for the northern Labour heartlands....?

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Re: The centre ground
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2016, 08:57:28 PM »
Well, I thought it was. It seemed to me to move on to Labour's traditional patch and the UKIP's rhetoric they have for the northern Labour heartlands....?
Yep, listing foreign people is the new middle ground, folks.

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Re: The centre ground
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2016, 07:23:50 PM »
Yep, listing foreign people is the new middle ground, folks.
What's wrong with that? Companies should first look to the indigenous people for their employment needs. Not undercut jobs to foreigners.

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Re: The centre ground
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2016, 07:52:47 PM »
What's wrong with that? Companies should first look to the indigenous people for their employment needs. Not undercut jobs to foreigners.
Why? A company should look for the best person for the job, while adhering to the laws on immigration.

And if a company has followed the appropriate recruitment process and has abided with the laws on immigration why should they be required to provide list of where the people they have employed were born. This notion is appalling, more so when it is suggested as a 'name and shame' approach. I am massively proud of the hugely international profile of the academics in my university department, and universally across the world this is seen as a good thing and a sign of an excellent university. What is there to be 'shamed' about.


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Re: The centre ground
« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2016, 08:24:40 PM »
Why? A company should look for the best person for the job, while adhering to the laws on immigration.

And if a company has followed the appropriate recruitment process and has abided with the laws on immigration why should they be required to provide list of where the people they have employed were born. This notion is appalling, more so when it is suggested as a 'name and shame' approach. I am massively proud of the hugely international profile of the academics in my university department, and universally across the world this is seen as a good thing and a sign of an excellent university. What is there to be 'shamed' about.
Where have you been? Are you not aware that companies are employing illegally cheap, almost slave labour?

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Re: The centre ground
« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2016, 09:40:39 PM »
Where have you been? Are you not aware that companies are employing illegally cheap, almost slave labour?
Some are, but many aren't, Jack.  You could even make the same accusation of some local authorities and public bodies.
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Re: The centre ground
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2016, 10:24:38 AM »
Dear Owen,

Go away, go very far away >:(

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Mr Smith also said he was “sticking to the position” that he would not rejoin Mr Corbyn’s shadow Cabinet. “Given what I’ve said about where we’ve gone with Jeremy and how we are not making the inroads in with the Tories and into the public popularity that we need in order to form a Labour government and have a prospect for a progressive government in this country then I can’t serve alongside him.

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He added: “I think it’s now time to unite and present a real alternative to the Tories.”

Unite but not serve alongside him.

What am I thinking, yer a politician, you don't have to make sense >:(

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Re: The centre ground
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2016, 10:55:17 AM »
What's wrong with that? Companies should first look to the indigenous people for their employment needs. Not undercut jobs to foreigners.
If you want to compete in the global market place, you need to be able to hire the best people in the World. If you don't, your competitors will and they'll put you out of business.
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Re: The centre ground
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2016, 10:58:15 AM »
Where have you been? Are you not aware that companies are employing illegally cheap, almost slave labour?
No they are not.

The claim that some companies are employing illegally cheap labour maybe true, but it is not true of companies in general.

And those companies that are employing "illegally cheap" labour are already breaking the law. We don't need a new law to stop them.
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Re: The centre ground
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2016, 02:51:36 PM »
Where have you been? Are you not aware that companies are employing illegally cheap, almost slave labour?
But that's illegal - so completely irrelevant to the issue of companies operating perfectly legally who apparently need to be 'named and shamed' if they attract the very best talent globally, when competing with their competitors who, of course, do exactly the same.
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Re: The centre ground
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2016, 03:10:46 PM »
Naming foreigners seems insane to me.  Brexit has already created an increase in hate crimes; this would encourage every racist thug to target certain firms and workers.   
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« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2016, 03:15:17 PM »
Naming foreigners seems insane to me.  Brexit has already created an increase in hate crimes; this would encourage every racist thug to target certain firms and workers.

I agree.

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Re: The centre ground
« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2016, 03:55:05 PM »
It looks as if the Tories are withdrawing this idea (listing foreigners), as it was faced with vitriolic criticism, esp. from business.   There is obviously a big struggle going on between hard Brexit people, and those who want some kind of contact with the single market.   Never mind, we'll be poorer but whiter!
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Re: The centre ground
« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2016, 04:04:12 PM »
I see Mhaira Black has compared the Tories to Nazi Germany and ended her little piece with.......

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First they came for the Jews.
But I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists.
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Then they came for the trade unionists.
But I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics
But I did not speak up because I was a Protestant
Then they came for me.
And by that time there was no one left to speak out for me.

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