Should supporting the UK in Europe be treasonous?

[Hope]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/treason-brexit-petition_uk_58047bfbe4b0ee3352126b7a?

Some people are just weird!!

[Humph Warden Bennett]

IMHO this gentleman is an idiot. It's pretty much an abuse of the process.

[Nearly Sane]

Zoomers gonna zoom

[floo]

Good grief the guy is bonkers!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I seem to remember petrol protestors stating that they would bring the country to it's knees.
None of those were tried for treason.

I'd hate to think those people probably voted for Brexit and support this guy.

[jeremyp]

It's not the Remainers currently driving the country to destruction.

[Aruntraveller]

It's not the Remainers currently driving the country to destruction.

Exactly. As everyday it becomes more and more apparent that we have chosen the most insane path for our future all the cheering exiting nincompoops can do is stick their collective tongues out and say "You lost" like we are a group of 10 year olds playing Monopoly.

We all lost. Idiots.

[L.A.]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/treason-brexit-petition_uk_58047bfbe4b0ee3352126b7a?

Some people are just weird!!

The ones who should be facing criminal charges are the ones who conned the British people into shooting themselves in the foot.

[ippy]

Exactly. As everyday it becomes more and more apparent that we have chosen the most insane path for our future all the cheering exiting nincompoops can do is stick their collective tongues out and say "You lost" like we are a group of 10 year olds playing Monopoly.

We all lost. Idiots.

Sour grapes, thank goodness we're not all like you Trent.

The only referendum before the one in June this year was for the EEC a good idea, all of the rest was sneaked in by via the back door, at least we've, the whole of the UK, had our say at last; you're just going to have to get on with it as it is Trent, it was a free vote, so  tough.

Mind you some like or enjoy the underhanded approach to all sorts of things.

ippy

   

[Aruntraveller]

Sour grapes, thank goodness we're not all like you Trent.

The only referendum before the one in June this year was for the EEC a good idea, all of the rest was sneaked in by via the back door, at least we've, the whole of the UK, had our say at last; you're just going to have to get on with it as it is Trent, it was a free vote, so  tough.

Mind you some like or enjoy the underhanded approach to all sorts of things.

ippy

 

Ippy


Not sour grapes at all. If you cannot see that the economy is tanking then you are willfully closing your eyes to the destruction of the country's prosperity and it is your brexiteer pals who employed the underhanded tactics by lying consistently for the last 30+ years about the EU. That you fell for it hook line and sinker means we all suffer.

So with the greatest of respect. WE ALL LOST.

And I have noticed the accusation of being underhanded. Shame on you.

[floo]

What does 'tanking' mean:? It isn't an expression I have come across.

[Aruntraveller]

What does 'tanking' mean:? It isn't an expression I have come across.

Sorry Floo - it is a bit of an Americanism:

fail completely, especially at great financial cost.

"the previous movie had tanked at the box office"

[Nearly Sane]

What does 'tanking' mean:? It isn't an expression I have come across.

'fail completely, especially at great financial cost.'

[ippy]

Ippy


Not sour grapes at all. If you cannot see that the economy is tanking then you are willfully closing your eyes to the destruction of the country's prosperity and it is your brexiteer pals who employed the underhanded tactics by lying consistently for the last 30+ years about the EU. That you fell for it hook line and sinker means we all suffer.

So with the greatest of respect. WE ALL LOST.

And I have noticed the accusation of being underhanded. Shame on you.

You've misunderstood my post Trent, the EEC was nothing to do with federation at the start and then all sorts of other things came in without sanction via the back door.

The above was the dishonest I was referring to and there are some that approve of these little by little over time  methods and I'm not one of them.

OK we dissagree, I wouldn' want you to think that I have a bias about leaving the EU and just because you were a remainer doesn't neccessarily make you a bad person, just because you got it wrong.

Regards ippy.

[jeremyp]

Sour grapes, thank goodness we're not all like you Trent.

Stop whining about how the people who are right have not rolled over in submission. 

all of the rest was sneaked in by via the back door,

Utter rubbish. Every EU treaty has had to be ratified by our democratically elected government of the day, which is as it should be. As the referendum demonstrates, when you let the people vote on single issues, they can't really be trusted because they vote for reasons not related or only partly related to the issue at hand. It seems that most Brexiters voted based on immigration - only a small part of what is at stake - or even just because they wanted to give the government a bloody nose.

at least we've, the whole of the UK, had our say at last; you're just going to have to get on with it as it is Trent, it was a free vote, so  tough.

So, if a group of people in a car took a vote to drive in one direction and it became more apparent that the car is going to head off a cliff, everybody should just keep quiet because they had a vote.

[Spud]

It's a shame it's not simple enough to have an in-out referendum every 10 or so years, so that we could opt out when the EU is not working for us, give it time to change, then opt back in again (or stay out if people think being out is working fine). Similar to the general election system.

[Spud]

It's quite a lot of responsibility to give people, making a decision that can't be reversed.

[jeremyp]

give it time to change,

Here's the problem I have with that: if the EU has problems (which it does) the EU needs to sort them out, but we are as much the EU as anybody else, so it is our responsibility as much as anybody else's. Instead of running away as we are doing, we should work to make it better. Our current course of action is an act of craven cowardice.

[ippy]

Stop whining about how the people who are right have not rolled over in submission. 
Utter rubbish. Every EU treaty has had to be ratified by our democratically elected government of the day, which is as it should be. As the referendum demonstrates, when you let the people vote on single issues, they can't really be trusted because they vote for reasons not related or only partly related to the issue at hand. It seems that most Brexiters voted based on immigration - only a small part of what is at stake - or even just because they wanted to give the government a bloody nose.


So, if a group of people in a car took a vote to drive in one direction and it became more apparent that the car is going to head off a cliff, everybody should just keep quiet because they had a vote.

I'm sure that is your honest opinion J P, we don't agree, we both think the other one's wrong, it happens.

ippy

[jeremyp]

I'm sure that is your honest opinion J P, we don't agree, we both think the other one's wrong, it happens.

What? You think the best course of action is to follow the road to disaster just because the car's occupants had a vote?

[ippy]

What? You think the best course of action is to follow the road to disaster just because the car's occupants had a vote?

Like I said we don't agree, I don'see leaving as any kind of road to disaster, we have managed quite well as a nation for coming up to a thousand years now, I expected a bumpy ride and feel optimistic compared to the way you are describing your feelings on  and about leaving the E U.

ippy

[jeremyp]

I don'see leaving as any kind of road to disaster, we have managed quite well as a nation for coming up to a thousand years now

I think you'd get a bit of a shock to find out how grim life has been for most people for most of the last thousand years.

I expected a bumpy ride

Well the ride didn't even have to be bumpy. And let's be honest "bumpy" means people losing their livelihoods. I hope you and the rest f the Leavers well step up to the plate and take responsibility for your actions if it all goes further wrong than it has done already.

[Spud]

Here's the problem I have with that: if the EU has problems (which it does) the EU needs to sort them out, but we are as much the EU as anybody else, so it is our responsibility as much as anybody else's. Instead of running away as we are doing, we should work to make it better. Our current course of action is an act of craven cowardice.

Really? So if you're a member of a club and the club starts doing things that don't suit you or make you go bonkers, it's cowardice to leave?

[jeremyp]

Really? So if you're a member of a club and the club starts doing things that don't suit you or make you go bonkers, it's cowardice to leave?

Please give some examples of things the EU is doing that don't suit us.

Anyway, yes, this particular club is very important to us, so we should stay and fix things.

[Gordon]

Really? So if you're a member of a club and the club starts doing things that don't suit you or make you go bonkers, it's cowardice to leave?

Problem here is that 'you' isn't singular - it is the Brexidiots who've acquired the car keys and are sitting in the driving seat and not all of us want to pile in behind them.

So either someone gets the keys back and stops the car or we have to abandon them to their madness - but sadly only some of us may at least have the option to bale out while others are at the mercy of these self-serving clowns who let this happen without actually having a plan, presumably because they never expected to win.

Hopefully sanity may yet prevail, since the damage has already begun.