Immigration

[torridon]

The mass immigration we see today is the work of the neo-liberal globalist elite and even darker forces intent on eradicating any last vestige of a Christian and ethnic Europe, forces which I won't mention here.

Conspiracy theory nonsense.

Back in the real world, we are going to have to get used to the notion of large scale migration for which there is no shortage of underlying drivers - global inequality, war, climate change, poverty and population explosion, to name just a handful.  And on top of all that, thanks to better connectivity, there is a rising global awareness of the injustice of this inequality; as a result we are going to see a rising tide of people wanting to leave impoverished lands for a better life elsewhere.

[Anchorman]

Dear Jim, Amen. Some read the Gospel others breathe the Gospel. Gonnagle.

No-one said it was easy....at least too often I don't find it as easy as I'd like!

[ad_orientem]

Be open? OK...... With apologies to Ad-O, it has everything to do with love, in its' most practical form. Many of these people need our help - whether that is in relocating, rehabilitating, education, whatever. We cannot in conscience simply ignore them if they come here. We might want to - and I've felt resentment and the occasional 'Why us' rising to the surface. Call it conscience, or call it the Holy Spirit you don't accept's prompting, but the answer "Why not us? Why shouldn't we be the ones to help" sometimes trumps it (And that's 'trump' with a small 't')

But most do not fall into that category. Most are young men of fighting age, opportunists at best, some are terrorists and rapists. The truly vunerable people have been left behind. Send them to America. They caused it.

[Anchorman]

Sadly, Ad-O, so did we.

[Walter]

Be open? OK...... With apologies to Ad-O, it has everything to do with love, in its' most practical form. Many of these people need our help - whether that is in relocating, rehabilitating, education, whatever. We cannot in conscience simply ignore them if they come here. We might want to - and I've felt resentment and the occasional 'Why us' rising to the surface. Call it conscience, or call it the Holy Spirit you don't accept's prompting, but the answer "Why not us? Why shouldn't we be the ones to help" sometimes trumps it (And that's 'trump' with a small 't')

have you seen what they do to each other, look on youtbube  they are deluded brain dead cunts and I hope a pig cums on their breakfast

have a nice day

[Jack Knave]

Be open? OK...... With apologies to Ad-O, it has everything to do with love, in its' most practical form. Many of these people need our help - whether that is in relocating, rehabilitating, education, whatever. We cannot in conscience simply ignore them if they come here. We might want to - and I've felt resentment and the occasional 'Why us' rising to the surface. Call it conscience, or call it the Holy Spirit you don't accept's prompting, but the answer "Why not us? Why shouldn't we be the ones to help" sometimes trumps it (And that's 'trump' with a small 't')

So you think the elites and big corporations etc. are doing this because they care and love these people they import to richer countries to work for them on the cheap? A_O is right, what they are doing is criminal.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Jim,

No-one said it was easy....at least too often I don't find it as easy as I'd like!

No it is not easy, Our Lord asks heavy questions, here is a post from a brother who knows those heavy questions.

Back in the real world, we are going to have to get used to the notion of large scale migration for which there is no shortage of underlying drivers - global inequality, war, climate change, poverty and population explosion, to name just a handful.  And on top of all that, thanks to better connectivity, there is a rising global awareness of the injustice of this inequality; as a result we are going to see a rising tide of people wanting to leave impoverished lands for a better life elsewhere.

Amen Brother, Amen.

Gonnagle.

[ad_orientem]

Sadly, Ad-O, so did we.

Depends who you mean by "we", doesn't it. My country didn't.

[Brownie]

We firgit you are from one of the midnight sun lands, ad.  Your English is too good.

[T8-eh-T8]

I am British. I did nothing to deserve to be British. It didn't cost me anything. I didn't work for it or earn it. I have done nothing to deserve it, it is simply a privilege in the literal sense of the word.

I know immigrants to Britain who have earned it. Who have paid for it. I have a friend who has lived and worked in the UK for 10 years, she is South African (it's ok, she's white  ) and decided to apply for British citizenship mostly so that she could avoid having to get a visa when going to visit the continent. Yeah, I know, great timing.

It took her years, much beaurocracy, hundreds of pounds and an extreme effort.

She does deserve it. She deserves it more than me, because she worked for it.

Yet to listen to the media, our MPs, our establishment, she is to be frowned upon as a burden. This strikes me as the wrong way round. Surely if you are British on merit rather than privilege that gives you more of a right to claim patriotism?

If you aspire to be British and manage to realise that aspiration, regardless of the many ridiculous obstacles thrown up in your path, then you deserve it. You deserve it more than I do. You are here on merit.

Privilege should always be recognised as a piece of fortune. Not the basis for entitlement. Not something that is deserved.

[Sriram]

Many people in Britain and the west generally, seem to be suffering from a guilt complex of some sort.  Wanting to alleviate the suffering of others is one thing and cutting off ones own legs for that is quite another.

If a neighbor has a temporary problem in his home (flooding, roof leak) then one can be expected to accommodate them temporarily in ones home. Once things are right again they go back. A normal neighborly thing to do. 

If however the neighbor has a permanent problem in his house, the sensible thing to do would be for all others to go over to his home, help in whatever way possible, give money if necessary...whatever.

You cannot  invite them over to live in your home! That would be foolish. Pretty soon they will be sitting at the breakfast table suggesting a suitable menu for the future, while your wife is scurrying around with the dishes!

Take care of yourselves and also help others in whatever way possible. Charity begins at home.

Just some thoughts.

[wigginhall]

One problem is that different things get listed under 'immigration', e.g. EU people moving here, non-EU people, and refugees.  And within the first two categories there are students, and people doing training, as well as skilled workers and unskilled workers.   All very different.

[Brownie]

I find myself agreeing with T8 and with Sririam, without feeling conflicted!  Great posts.