Brexit - the next steps

[jakswan]

No. I think there is a realistic concern that there won't be. The choice should be between "take the deal" and "do nothing", not "take the deal" and "hit the nuclear button". Unfortunately, the Brexit politicians seem to one mostly in denial about our current situation and unable to contemplate the possibility that we might want to reject their ideas.

Still don't understand 'my opinion is right' statement. 

You can flip your last statement 'the remain politicians seemed to have been mostly in denial about our previous situation and unable to contemplate the possibility that we might want to reject their ideas' to apply to pre-2016 as they gave us the referendum in the first place.

[jeremyp]

You can flip your last statement 'the remain politicians seemed to have been mostly in denial about our previous situation and unable to contemplate the possibility that we might want to reject their ideas' to apply to pre-2016 as they gave us the referendum in the first place.

We all knew what it was like to live in the EU because we experienced it every day. Nobody was in denial about it, although its character was often lied about in the press and by the more extreme Brexiteers. But only the Brexiteers are in denial about the chaotic nature of the current Brexit process.

[wigginhall]

Reports that a deal has been done.  Resignations to follow?

[Dicky Underpants]

No, my position is that “the referendum said so, so we must” can no longer be claimed as an argument from democracy.

Interestingly, your tag in quotes seems to be Jeremy Corbin's view, in one of his increasingly rare comments on the matter. But not Keir Starmer's - who thinks the opposite.

Some interesting waffle from labour spokespersons trying to reconcile these antithetical positions as if they expressed consistent Labour policy.

[jakswan]

We all knew what it was like to live in the EU because we experienced it every day. Nobody was in denial about it, although its character was often lied about in the press and by the more extreme Brexiteers. But only the Brexiteers are in denial about the chaotic nature of the current Brexit process.

Is this the EU without an Army or a future that has one.

[jeremyp]

Is this the EU without an Army or a future that has one.

I have no preference either way, although I think it would be a good idea if the EU cooperated on defence in some form.

[Rhiannon]

I think we've now reached the stage of Brexit where I will hide under the duvet for a bit. Tell me when it's over.

[Anchorman]

Is this the EU without an Army or a future that has one.

What's wrong with an EU defence force?
Would they park weapons of mass destruction next to a nation'ssecondcity asWestminster has, despite manifest opposition from all quarters for decades?
No, such aforce might stop some of the useless wars we sent our young men to die in.

[wigginhall]

I think we've now reached the stage of Brexit where I will hide under the duvet for a bit. Tell me when it's over.

I wonder if it ever will be.  The present "text" is presumably for a withdrawal agreement, during which negotiations will continue.  And maybe after that.

[Rhiannon]

I was talking to a HGV driver at the weekend, who tells a very similar story to my mate up in Grimsby - voted Leave after wage cuts and  a loss of job security following in influx of drivers from Poland and Romania. Now, he says, a lot of the Poles have left - partly Brexit, partly the fact that Poland is now doing rather well, and partly the fact that a lot of the drivers have finished what they came here to do - make enough to buy a house or give their kids a leg up. This pleases him as he now feels more secure. We were discussing his working patterns: 'the boats come in from Rotterdam on a Tuesday morning...' and I didn't like to ask what happens when the ships stop coming, or can't unload due to regs and customs.

[Harrowby Hall]

...' and I didn't like to ask what happens when the ships stop coming, or can't unload due to regs and customs.

That was uncharacteristically reticent of you, Rhi.   

It is a pity you didn't ask. It would have been interesting to learn how he now perceived the consequences of his vote.

[jeremyp]

It looks like there might be a deal

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46203425

However, I suspect, if Labour doesn't get behind it, it might get rejected by parliament.

[SteveH]

They thrashed out the final details over a working Brexit.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Tory Helen Whately smirking on BBC news now.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

The Brexiteer if only'

If only there had been a brexiteer PM............They all bottled out.
If only A brexiteer had been in charge of negotiations".......................what was David Davis doing.
If only David Davis had been allowed to go in hard.............................How can anyone who seeks to be allowed possibly be capable of going in hard.

[Roses]

If only there was a second referendum, I suspect the majority would vote to remain this time around. It  appears that the UK will be much worse off economically, and in others ways too, if Brexit goes ahead.

[Harrowby Hall]

And now Dominic Raab - the Brexit Secretary - has resigned.

May we live in interesting times ...

[Gordon]

It's hard to know whether to laugh or cry: and it ain't over yet.

[Roses]

And now Dominic Raab - the Brexit Secretary - has resigned.

May we live in interesting times ...

I wouldn't be surprised if there are more resignations today, which could topple May, or even bring about a general election.

[Rhiannon]

Self centred prick.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

And now Dominic Raab - the Brexit Secretary - has resigned.

May we live in interesting times ...

Evrybody's high on consolation.........he's go-o-o-o-o-ne.............what went wroooooooooooong?

[wigginhall]

Weird that somebody who was part of negotiation, has jumped ship.  It suggests that he was peripheral.  Who's next?

[SteveH]

I wouldn't be surprised if there are more resignations today, which could topple May, or even bring about a general election.

We can but hope.

[wigginhall]

I think the Ultras would love to topple May, but they will be wary of an election,  too unpredictable.   I wonder if Johnson is preparing his acceptance speech.

[Rhiannon]

Please let McVey go.