Brexit - the next steps

[Nearly Sane]

David Brent and Alan Partridge take over the world.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/01/chris-grayling-nigel-farage-march-leave?CMP=share_btn_tw

[jeremyp]

What request?

The one she is going to have to make.

[Gordon]

An interesting opinion piece on how a 2nd referendum might happen if May's deal gets rejected next week, mentioning that in 2016 the GFA simply wasn't recognised as being an issue at all.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/06/brexit-kyle-wilson-amendment 

[Spud]

Gordon,
As I started reading that link, I fell asleep. I dreamt that you had posted a video clip of a guitar shop in Glasgow, and it was raining. Then I dreamt that I was in the sky and that Glasgow had been flooded. Hope you're ok.

[Gordon]

Gordon,
As I started reading that link, I fell asleep. I dreamt that you had posted a video clip of a guitar shop in Glasgow, and it was raining. Then I dreamt that I was in the sky and that Glasgow had been flooded. Hope you're ok.

I'm fine thank you, and it was indeed pissing-down in Glasgow this morning.

No reports of any damp guitars in the local media though, and all of mine appear to be both hunky and dory.

[jeremyp]

Latest attempt to get a deal rejected. Looks like it’s no deal or stay in, for now, at least.

[Gordon]

Can't see that this hopeless PM can survive: she'd be well advised to resign right now since I can't imagine how she could have any credible part in whatever happens next - cue Tory in-fighting, and hopefully this government falls.

If they vote against no deal tomorrow, and the EU makes an extension of Article 50 contingent on a plan, I suspect Brexit is now so toxic than getting agreement among politicians on an alternative plan would be problematic to the extent that revocation might start to look attractive to anyone who wants politicians to deal with other stuff, since the last 3 years have been largely wasted.

Hopefully we'll now start to hear less of Brexit being justified solely by the biggest argumentum ad populum of modern times.

[Anchorman]

We're supposed to honour and respect this farce of a pantomime parliament in Westminster? Really? To give it the term 'useless' would be a compliment fa r above its' station.

[ProfessorDavey]

We're supposed to honour and respect this farce of a pantomime parliament in Westminster? Really? To give it the term 'useless' would be a compliment fa r above its' station.

Actually I think the blame lies more firmly with the government rather than parliament, who, let's face it have been provided with a fate accompli Hobson's choice at the 11th hour. What do you think rank and file MPs should have done - simply voted for the deal? It isn't their fault that May failed to negotiate a sensible deal and then delayed and delayed bringing it to parliament.

[Spud]

How realistic is it to say that there should have been three options on the ballot paper: hard Brexit, soft Brexit or Remain?

From the way these three options have divided the Commons, can we say this translates to the Public as well?

It's now clear that hard Brexit means that a return to a hard border with Irish Republic or a customs border down the North sea.

A soft Brexit means no independent trade deals and no seat at the table.

So I'd say, yes there really are three options, so we should either assume that Remain had the majority all along, or re-run the referendum, with the three options on the ballot paper

[Harrowby Hall]

I never thought that I would ever think such as this, but how fortunate Theresa May is in having no children. There will be no descendants who have to deal with their ancestor being reviled as one of the most incompetent and damaging prime ministers in history ...

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I never thought that I would ever think such as this, but how fortunate Theresa May is in having no children. There will be no descendants who have to deal with their ancestor being reviled as one of the most incompetent and damaging prime ministers in history ...

She is truly a Gobshite.

[Roses]

I never thought that I would ever think such as this, but how fortunate Theresa May is in having no children. There will be no descendants who have to deal with their ancestor being reviled as one of the most incompetent and damaging prime ministers in history ...

What a mean comment! May is doing her best even though it is not  successful. Do you think the limp lettuce Corbyn would have done any better? I doubt it.

Brexit is in a terrible mess, the best we can hope for is another referendum.

[Aruntraveller]

What a mean comment! May is doing her best even though it is not  successful. Do you think the limp lettuce Corbyn would have done any better? I doubt it.

Brexit is in a terrible mess, the best we can hope for is another referendum.

As I have pointed out before we will never know how Corbyn would have done. This is May's gig. She has controlled it from the start, laid down her red lines, made a pact with the devil (aka DUP), told us that legally binding changes had been made which turns out to be a lie, prevaricated, obfuscated and ignored all other view points. And yet somehow you manage to malign Corbyn (again) for something he has had little or no input on. I have to ask, you do know the difference between the terms "government" and "parliament" don't you?

[Roses]

As I have pointed out before we will never know how Corbyn would have done. This is May's gig. She has controlled it from the start, laid down her red lines, made a pact with the devil (aka DUP), told us that legally binding changes had been made which turns out to be a lie, prevaricated, obfuscated and ignored all other view points. And yet somehow you manage to malign Corbyn (again) for something he has had little or no input on. I have to ask, you do know the difference between the terms "government" and "parliament" don't you?

Corbyn's own party is maligning him too, in case you haven't noticed.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

What a mean comment! May is doing her best even though it is not  successful. Do you think the limp lettuce Corbyn would have done any better?

I think you would have done better.

 

[Aruntraveller]

Corbyn's own party is maligning him too, in case you haven't noticed.

So?

As is MAy's.

[Harrowby Hall]

What a mean comment! May is doing her best even though it is not  successful. Do you think the limp lettuce Corbyn would have done any better? I doubt it.

Brexit is in a terrible mess, the best we can hope for is another referendum.

Yes. I accept it is a comment which - ordinarily - I think I would not make.

If what is happening is "May's best" why should we have to put up with it? It is thoroughly incompetent. Don't forget, she called a general election - which she lost - and scrambled to remain in power by doing a deal with the least reliable party at Westminster. Don't forget, she was a remainer who coined the slogan "Brexit means Brexit" because she considered the possibility of 3 million or so UKIP voters becoming Tory party supporters was more important than the future of the United Kingdom.

Brexit is in a terrible mess. Who do you think is responsible for that mess? Certainly not Corbyn.

[wigginhall]

I keep thinking that MPs are being asked to change their mind, on May's deal, but we are not allowed to, on Brexit.   Well, It's not meant to be sensible.

Incidentally, to say that May is doing her best, is a joke.   She chose a hard Brexit - why is this the best?

[Sassy]

Good point. I could certainly do with being 46 years younger!

Not so sure going backwards is a good thing. It can change everything including not having  46 years.. Nice thought though...

[Roses]

Yes. I accept it is a comment which - ordinarily - I think I would not make.

If what is happening is "May's best" why should we have to put up with it? It is thoroughly incompetent. Don't forget, she called a general election - which she lost - and scrambled to remain in power by doing a deal with the least reliable party at Westminster. Don't forget, she was a remainer who coined the slogan "Brexit means Brexit" because she considered the possibility of 3 million or so UKIP voters becoming Tory party supporters was more important than the future of the United Kingdom.

Brexit is in a terrible mess. Who do you think is responsible for that mess? Certainly not Corbyn.

Corbyn was all for leaving the EU, May was a remainer!

[Sassy]

Was looking at a quotations site earlier at those attributed to H.L Mencken and came across this one, that seems relevant to those (such as our hapless PM) who still regard the 2016 referendum about an undefined notion, as opposed to a proposed plan, as being sacrosanct and an imperative;

'Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.'

You know better than that, Gordon. Too intelligent to go with the flow when it comes to the plans of mice and men.
The PM was given the Job when the men did not want it and the coward then PM was more interested in representing his own thoughts and plans than the Country he represented.
You reply as if you think these things are not planned.  The political parties wanting their way rather than the people they represent.  The future will be disastrous if they do not allow Brexit to happen for our Country.    Men always need a woman to hide behind and blame when it comes to  implementing their plans. They did the same with Maggie when things got uncomfortable.  However Maggie managed to remain in power longer than they wanted and then they threw her under the bus, so to speak.

I personally believe that whoever was in the PM chair whether man or woman would be facing the same thing. One thing I believe is the whole thing is a put up Job to try and stop the Brexit with delaying etc.  So my hope is that whatever happens Brexit comes and those who tried to delay or stop it are the ones who suffer.  I hope we leave on the 29th that way the hapless wonders can then decide on how to clean their own mess up.

The best thing for this Country is to get out whilst we still can... I believe eventually our Royal Family would go and would interfere with the future.
GERMANY ... at the Helm whichever way you look at it.. No thank you. My ancestors who fought in the wars did not fight to surrender our Country to a union based on the ideas of a German or Austrian come to that.  To remain in the EU is to dishonour our dead who died to keep our Country free. This unholy alliance would then, and could hold the rest of the world to ransom. 


The tower of Babel is the ultimate warning of people uniting in one cause.  Spells disaster for all. It is the EU showing they still control YOU and they will do what they want to hold on to
a Country like ours where we are allowed mostly all over the world whilst others are not. A royal family who keeps the channels open and a leader of a common wealth.

We would be unequally yoked and it is funny how this system could be used to bring in the reality of Revelation.


Revelation 13:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.


Do you not see to have that power over the world you need to have a united (union) of Countries.

[Anchorman]

 A wee  cut and paste....with the permission of the writer given freely.

UK to EU: "So, we have voted to leave"
 EU to UK: "That's a shame, OK what's your proposals?"
 UK to EU: "We don't have any, we are leaving."
EU to UK: "Yes, but what about the Good Friday Agreement and the Northern Irish border?"
UK to EU: "Eh?"
 EU to UK: "It's an international treaty you signed, remember? Look
, tell you what why doesn't NI stay in the Customs Union, job done."
 UK to EU
: "NEVER! You are not splitting the UK up."
 EU to UK: "OK what do you propose?"
 UK to EU: "Why are you being intransigent?"
 EU to UK: "What? OK look, we need to sort this and you haven't proposed anything, what about the whole of the UK staying in the Customs Union?"
 UK to EU: "NEVER!
EU to UK: "FFS what then? This is your mess, tell us what you actually want."
UK to EU: "Why are you being intransigent?"
 EU to UK: "Will you please just tell us what you want.
" UK to EU: "OK if you're going to be like that, we want a backstop added to the Withdrawal Agreement.
EU to UK: "Finally, yes OK, thats fine, but remember this is your idea, shall we sign the Withdrawal Agreement off? Once we have done this we cannot reopen it in the time left."
 UK to EU: "Yes, sign it off."
 EU to UK: "Done."
 UK to EU: "Ummm we couldn't get it through parliament so we need to reopen the withdrawal agreement and change the backstop."
EU to UK: "We said we wouldn't do that, but OK we might be able to do something, we are listening, what do you want to change it to?"
UK to EU: "Alternative arrangements."

 EU to UK: "What?"
UK to EU: "Alternative arrangements."
EU to UK: "What the actual fuck is that?"
 UK to EU: "Don't know, just something different."
 EU to UK: "Look, the backstop was your idea, we reluctantly agreed, now you don't want it anymore and instead want it changed to something that doesn't exist."
 UK to EU: "Why are you being so intransigent?"
 EU to UK: "It literally does not exist, what don't you understand about that?"
 UK to EU: "Stop bullying us. OK, how about having a backstop that isn't a backstop?"
EU to UK: "Oh fuck the fuck off you absolute idiots!"
Theresa May to UK general public: "The EU are being intransigent. This is not our fault, its all theirs." -

[Sassy]

How do Brexitters feel now that billionaire brexitter sir Jim Radcliffe is leaving the U.K. Now Brexit has come....source The Times, and a UK airline is folding because of Brexit.

Do you feel misled, taken for a ride, took, buncoed?

Phyllis,

As MacEnroe would say "You cannot be serious".   

What did billionaire Sir Jim Ratcliffe do for any of the brexitter's?  Just what benefit did they get from his money?

The truth is,if he left GB then it is because he would have left anyway with or without Brexit.

Brexit is about what the people want not what billionaires are doing.

Truth is with the money he has, he can live anywhere with or without Brexit and his company if based here can trade where they want now. Did we benefit him with his company.

A lot of companies who did not originally want Brexit are now seeing the benefit of an open market regarding trading with other Countries. A lot more Countries to trade with and a larger income  which benefits all.  Are you sure you were serious??

[Sassy]

When I try and come up with a solution I always end up with the fact that the UK is Protestant and the rest of the European Union are either Catholic or Orthodox.
This is relevant because Protestants are opposed to the Catholic and Orthodox practice of iconography. They believe that this breaks the 2nd commandment.
Apart from that I can't see any sincere reason why the UK would leave the EU, with the hindsight I now have.

Spud,

Did you know the plan was to make the Roman Catholic Church the main religion of the EU in the future this helped get those Countries on board.

Just like Hitler the EU would stop at nothing to keep the Countries in the Union where they can control them.

We cannot become reliant on just a few Countries for our trade and living.

Read the Tower of Babel Spud. Genesis 11:1-9 and see what disaster could await with Countries of one union with one language.
English is spoken a lot as a second language.  Just think about this very carefully what I am going to tell you.  King James Bible
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
How would you get this to happen throughout the world?

Our lives and the things that happen are part of a bigger plant.  King James Bible
And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?
Isaiah 46:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:


Do you know why the people of earth not saved will carry on living a normal life right to the end and allowing these things?  They do not believe or know the word of God and turn so they might be saved. The message of Christ is a universal message which stretches through out the world and therefore the universe for none exist outside the mind of a man to see and witness it.

Christ is the Son of God and all who believe will be saved.  But believers can now see the start of the end as the world forms the alliances which will lead to the " A piece of Bread could buy a bag a of Godl"  Gods people will survive as he lead them in the wilderness and provided he will provide during those times too. Be it, that he takes them out of that place or gives them their needs to survive.

God has always shown that his people survive because his provision does not rely on the worlds abundance which belongs to him.

If you take the worlds way of thinking you see they believe they earn everything they get by working hard and so deserve everything that the poor don't have.

Gods way is clear... the food and the animal chain are all provided by him the fullness of the earth is Gods. He ultimately gave it, so all mankind could survive.

The mankind today has no humility they believe they have earned everything they have.  In truth what they earn is worth nothing without Gods provision of food.

Take away the  abundance of fruit, vegtables and farm animals and what are you left with? Hard work, earnings and nothing to spend it on.

Hope it helps/. ><>