Brexit - the next steps

[Harrowby Hall]

I did not expect that. This is going to get interesting.

... And the Court's decision was unanimous. Eleven judges coming to the same conclusion.

Will Boris Johnson hold the record for the shortest Prime Ministership in history?

And will it mean the end of Dominic Cummings?

[Roses]

... And the Court's decision was unanimous. Eleven judges coming to the same conclusion.

Will Boris Johnson hold the record for the shortest Prime Ministership in history?

And will it mean the end of Dominic Cummings?

I hope both of them disappear from office a.s.a.p.

[Aruntraveller]

Technically Dominic Cummings is not in office but I get your drift.

[Roses]

Thatcher and May screwed up badly and were forced to resign, however Boris is in a category all of his own where screw ups are concerned, and will probably go down in history as the worst UK PM of all time.

Apparently the nasty Farage is having a hissy fit over the court ruling.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Trent,

Technically Dominic Cummings is not in office but I get your drift.

Which means that he's sackable. We know that BS Boris will throw anyone under the bus to protect himself, so the narrative "look I've just fired the person who misadvised me, nothing to do with me guv" might be what he opts for. 

[Harrowby Hall]

I have just very briefly seen (on the BBC) a Twitter statement from Nigel Farage - it appears to say that Farage thinks that Cummings should be sacked immediately.

Says aquite a lot about Nigel Farage ...

[ippy]

Oh yes, and Thomas Cook's bankruptcy is partly the fault of Brexit. Brexiteers have 22 thousand job losses on their conscience from there alone.

I wondered when, or more if this would come up and would find it fascinating to understand how you've arrived at this conclusion?

The council that controls building works in my little town is trying to build 70 odd houses in the middle of our growing towns parkland including a road splitting the park up even more than the houses, the houses are bad enough but the access road is worse because it makes the park more dangerous overall for the children in this increasingly populous area, where more parkland will be needed to accommodate the extra population.

Everything negative according to you'll be caused by leaving the EU I just thought you might be able to let me know how leaving the EU affects this parkland problem we have here? Perhaps you might be able to give me something else to argue with against the councils ideas about this contested parkland and how leaving the EU comes into the argument?

Regards, ippy.

[Aruntraveller]

I wondered when, or more if this would come up and would find it fascinating to understand how you've arrived at this conclusion?

The council that controls building works in my little town is trying to build 70 odd houses in the middle of our growing towns parkland including a road splitting the park up even more than the houses, the houses are bad enough but the access road is worse because it makes the park more dangerous overall for the children in this increasingly populous area, where more parkland will be needed to accommodate the extra population.

Everything negative according to you'll be caused by leaving the EU I just thought you might be able to let me know how leaving the EU affects this parkland problem we have here? Perhaps you might be able to give me something else to argue with against the councils ideas about this contested parkland and how leaving the EU comes into the argument?

Regards, ippy.

There you go trying to compare apples with blu tac.

[bluehillside Retd.]

ippy,

I wondered when, or more if this would come up and would find it fascinating to understand how you've arrived at this conclusion?

The council that controls building works in my little town is trying to build 70 odd houses in the middle of our growing towns parkland including a road splitting the park up even more than the houses, the houses are bad enough but the access road is worse because it makes the park more dangerous overall for the children in this increasingly populous area, where more parkland will be needed to accommodate the extra population.

Everything negative according to you'll be caused by leaving the EU I just thought you might be able to let me know how leaving the EU affects this parkland problem we have here? Perhaps you might be able to give me something else to argue with against the councils ideas about this contested parkland and how leaving the EU comes into the argument?

The collapse of TC seems to be due to a variety of factors, not least an incompetent management that failed to recognise that having lots of shops was anachronistic (while rewarding itself handsomely for its incompetence by the way). That said, it's hard to argue that the Brexit-related tanking of the £ hasn't had a disproportionately big effect on a business that relies on customers booking foreign holidays, has to pay foreign hotel costs, suffers jet fuel costs increases etc. They'll have hedged against currency fluctuations no doubt, but that's not an indefinite fix.   

[ippy]

There you go trying to compare apples with blu tac.

Not really Trent, I'm just trying to see how jp's line of thought somehow involves Thomas Cook's problems with brexit.

jp's more on the lines of trying to compare apples with blu tac, quite obviously, whereas I made up my silly comparison I don't know but think jp was being serious?

Regards, ippy.

[ippy]

ippy,

The collapse of TC seems to be due to a variety of factors, not least an incompetent management that failed to recognise that having lots of shops was anachronistic (while rewarding itself handsomely for its incompetence by the way). That said, it's hard to argue that the Brexit-related tanking of the £ hasn't had a disproportionately big effect on a business that relies on customers booking foreign holidays, has to pay foreign hotel costs, suffers jet fuel costs increases etc. They'll have hedged against currency fluctuations no doubt, but that's not an indefinite fix.

You could say then that the remainers by delaying the implementation of our  winning leave vote has made a serious dent in how our country is appreciated or not in the world's view has weakened our Pound.

Regards, ippy.

[Roses]

You could say then that the remainers by delaying the implementation of our  winning leave vote has made a serious dent in how our country is appreciated or not in the world's view has weakened our Pound.

Regards, ippy.

More likely it is the idea of Brexit which has weakened the £ .

[bluehillside Retd.]

ippy,

You could say then that the remainers by delaying the implementation of our  winning leave vote has made a serious dent in how our country is appreciated or not in the world's view has weakened our Pound.

No you couldn't, or at least not with a straight face.

1. It was actually the ERG who put the boot into May's putative deal.

2. How our country was appreciated or not was determined largely by the rest of the world looking on in disbelief at the effectiveness of the cadre of hard right liars and ignoramuses who managed to dupe enough voters into obtaining a narrow win by about a third of potential voters.

3. The £ tanked because markets recognised that any Brexit outcome would be economically harmful to the UK. 

[Nearly Sane]

Looking at the reactions, it's not really clear that anyone has a plan, or rather that many people may have different plans but it's not clear that any of them will be agreed by enough people.

[Roses]

Looking at the reactions, it's not really clear that anyone has a plan, or rather that many people may have different plans but it's not clear that any of them will be agreed by enough people.

I think you are correct, the court's verdict came as a surprise to most, I think. Those opposing Johnson in all parties need to get their act together and fast.

[Spud]

He's saying his priority is to get on and deliver Brexit on Oct 31. Assuming he means, getting a deal, that is what parliament will be engaged in scrutinising. He must surely be a little bit nervous about refusing to implement the delay, after today. If he voted for Theresa May's withdrawal agreement the third time round, maybe he will try and get it through, backstop and all, in a fourth vote?

[Roses]

Our eldest girl made me giggle, she said that Boris should be very grateful to the EU . As he mislead The Queen about the prorogation of Parliament she could have issued the instruction that Boris was sent to the Tower and his head removed. However, as the UK is still in the EU, the European Court of Human Rights, wouldn't have permitted that to happen!  Although on second thoughts in the case of Boris they might have made an exception!

[Nearly Sane]

You would think there has to be a VoNC but it's not clear that a govt of 'national unity' could be formed - as it's not clear we have any unity. If they went for that and didn't manage to form one, we either fall out with no deal, or revoke Article 50. If they can't form a govt then we go to an election and I have no idea what might happen in it.

[wigginhall]

Boris is gambling on winning an election, and I think he probably would.  He just has to sit tight and waffle for a bit.

[Outrider]

Boris is gambling on winning an election, and I think he probably would.  He just has to sit tight and waffle for a bit.

Unfortunately for Boris, that requires time as things stand and a significant number of his backers are likely to want the UK out of Europe before the new anti-money laundering/tax avoidance regulations hit in January.

If we leave after that, we of course have the right to revoke them, but that would need to be new legislation issued by Parliament where the reasoning would be scrutinised.

I'm wondering, especially given that there seems to be a growing sense of impatience in Europe, if he'll manage to get a 'now or never' wording to an agreement to put before Parliament close to the October 19th deadline? Or, perhaps, agree to an extension (reluctantly) until December 31st, ostensibly to 'hammer out details' but really to get around the Benn amendment?

O.

[Nearly Sane]

Unfortunately for Boris, that requires time as things stand and a significant number of his backers are likely to want the UK out of Europe before the new anti-money laundering/tax avoidance regulations hit in January.

If we leave after that, we of course have the right to revoke them, but that would need to be new legislation issued by Parliament where the reasoning would be scrutinised.

I'm wondering, especially given that there seems to be a growing sense of impatience in Europe, if he'll manage to get a 'now or never' wording to an agreement to put before Parliament close to the October 19th deadline? Or, perhaps, agree to an extension (reluctantly) until December 31st, ostensibly to 'hammer out details' but really to get around the Benn amendment?

O.

I think the 2nd is the only one that he has a chance of achieving but at some point there will be an election. The delay will have had an effect on his polling and the Leave Alliance becomes much more problematic as a result. I still have no real understanding of the Labour policy can keep people on either side to vote for them.

[wigginhall]

I haven't a clue how the polls will react, but I suspect Boris will keep a lead.  I suppose it's simplified, Tories offer no deal or a deal, Labour offer a referendum, Lib Dems hypothetical revoke.  Then there are non-Brexit issues.  Dunno.

[Outrider]

I think the 2nd is the only one that he has a chance of achieving but at some point there will be an election. The delay will have had an effect on his polling and the Leave Alliance becomes much more problematic as a result. I still have no real understanding of the Labour policy can keep people on either side to vote for them.

I think the issue with trying to understand the current Labour party policy is that there isn't a single current Labour Party policy on very much, to the point where it's something of a fiction to claim that there's a single Labour Party.  I think Corbyn's a fairly genuine guy, for a politician, but I can't help but feel that he's only a member of the Labour Party because he'd have to develop schizophrenia if he stood as an independent just so he could somehow create discord amongst himself, he has an unfathomable talent for turning like-minded people against each other, let alone people who fundamentally disagree with him.

O.

[Anchorman]

 The Dug in tail-wagging  mode! https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2019/09/24/the-law-is-not-an-ass/

[Dicky Underpants]

Boris is gambling on winning an election, and I think he probably would.  He just has to sit tight and waffle for a bit.

Following the unanimous agreement of the judges, I notice that Yahoo have opened a poll as to whether Boris should resign or not. Amazingly (to me) its 70 to 30 % in favour of his remaining - at the moment.
I wonder, when he next appears in Parliament, how long it will be before someone shouts "Resign!", and who it will be who shouts it. I seem to remember a previous prime minister (on just being elected) hadn't managed to stand up for one second before some wag shouted this. Anyone remember the occasion?