Brexit - the next steps

[Nearly Sane]

Companies do that all the time. We do trade with other parts of the world you know!

Yes, we do. And what we send in all but the most exceptional cases is stuff we already produce to fit in with EU regulations.

[Jack Knave]

Yes, we do. And what we send in all but the most exceptional cases is stuff we already produce to fit in with EU regulations.

So waste then. You could save money by doing less for some markets.

[Jack Knave]

Except to maintain the harmonization which you accepted gained us access to the free movement of goods, we will continue to follow those regs. Now yes, we could set up alternative production but given economies of scale, that us unlikely to be feasible.

I've now worked out what you are going on about and you're wrong.

We will have done a trade deal with the EU which freezes the relationship between us the and them. Any new regs they come up for their members won't apply to us. As we are harmonised with them already now it won't be too hard to come up with that trade deal, unless they are nasty buggers.

[wigginhall]

You can't freeze regulations.   As and when they are changed, those countries which are in convergence, will also adopt the new regulations.  In fact, I think this applies to many international bodies, if you are an associate member or whatever name it's given.   Otherwise, there's no point in being connected to such a body, if you are going to diverge increasingly. 

[Jack Knave]

We're talking trade deals here. They are ratified by both sides and that is that. One side can't just change the rules on a whim without the other side agreeing to it as well. If they don't agree to the changes the original arrangement holds sway. It's like the EU treaties they can't be changed by one member because they now don't suit them.

[jeremyp]

We're talking trade deals here. They are ratified by both sides and that is that. One side can't just change the rules on a whim without the other side agreeing to it as well. If they don't agree to the changes the original arrangement holds sway. It's like the EU treaties they can't be changed by one member because they now don't suit them.

The trade deal will have a process for what to do if one side changes its regulations. After all, this sort of thing happens all the time. What it won't do is freeze the regulations for the trading partner. For example, if the EU decides you can only have a vacuum cleaner that blows (literally or figuratively), Britain will have to abide by that regulation when exporting to the EU whether we have a trade deal or not.

[jeremyp]

Oh, and Brexit is not just about trade deals.

Oh and we seem to have got off to a storming start.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39465631

We are going to end up with nothing.

[Jack Knave]

The trade deal will have a process for what to do if one side changes its regulations. After all, this sort of thing happens all the time. What it won't do is freeze the regulations for the trading partner. For example, if the EU decides you can only have a vacuum cleaner that blows (literally or figuratively), Britain will have to abide by that regulation when exporting to the EU whether we have a trade deal or not.

I'm not saying one side or the other can not try to alter things but the other side doesn't have to abide by it. A contract is a contract!!!

[Jack Knave]

Oh, and Brexit is not just about trade deals.

Oh and we seem to have got off to a storming start.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39465631

We are going to end up with nothing.

The fault here is not with us it is with the Spanish. But read my thread as to why we will never reach the end of the deal.

[Nearly Sane]

I'm not saying one side or the other can not try to alter things but the other side doesn't have to abide by it. A contract is a contract!!!

in which case the freedom of movement of goods will stop.

[Harrowby Hall]

The fault here is not with us it is with the Spanish. But read my thread as to why we will never reach the end of the deal.

Perhaps you could threaten the Spanish by suggesting that if they try to take Gibraltar we will seize Heathrow Airport ...

[Walt Zingmatilder]

The fault here is not with us it is with the Spanish. But read my thread as to why we will never reach the end of the deal.

Sounds to me that we should have had a plan for Brexit which is after all what weve said all along.

Brexit was conceived by the ''Moonlight flit'' end of society hoping that the ''spiv fraternity'' would make good.....Bish, Bash, Bosh, Job done...... down the local in time for a Strongbow.

[Nearly Sane]

Don't know why people might whinge when the important thing is getting our blue passports, and imperial measures back! Woo-hoo!!!!!

[Nearly Sane]

Perhaps you could threaten the Spanish by suggesting that if they try to take Gibraltar we will seize Heathrow Airport ...

Michael Howard - 'another small British island facing a threat from another Spanish speaking country'

[jeremyp]

Don't know why people might whinge when the important thing is getting our blue passports, and imperial measures back! Woo-hoo!!!!!

They might change the colour on the cover of the passport but we can't go back to the old hard backed version. Passports have to be a pretty standard shape now to go through all the electronic readers we now have.

If we have to go back to imperial measures, I'm going to personally visit every single Brexit voter and give them a slap.

[wigginhall]

Had to laugh over the double standards with bargaining chips.  Spanish use of Gibraltar - a heinous and dastardly foreign trick.  British use of EU citizens and cooperation over terrorism - entirely sagacious and strategic vision.    I wondered if anyone is fooled by this garbage, but yes, probably. 

[SusanDoris]

They might change the colour on the cover of the passport but we can't go back to the old hard backed version. Passports have to be a pretty standard shape now to go through all the electronic readers we now have.

If we have to go back to imperial measures, I'm going to personally visit every single Brexit voter and give them a slap.

... and one for me, too!

I heard something yesterday about the fact that if all the other EU countries have failed to agree on Britain's exit conditions, then the date passes and we have nothing. I wasn't listening properly, so I may well have mis-heard, but do you know whether, if such agreement is not in place, we can call off the exit?

I also heard during the week a younger woman say, when asked who will do the hospitality jobs, the fruit and veg picking, etc, 'Our people will do the work.' I do not know if another person challenged her on this woolly idea or pointed out that they weren't doing it now, which is why migrants are employed.

[Jack Knave]

in which case the freedom of movement of goods will stop.

Once again, NS, you have posted a meaningless post.

[Jack Knave]

Perhaps you could threaten the Spanish by suggesting that if they try to take Gibraltar we will seize Heathrow Airport ...

That's a non sequitur.

[jeremyp]

That's a non sequitur.

Woosh!

[Nearly Sane]

Once again, NS, you have posted a meaningless post.

It was very simple. You cannot have freedom of movement if goods if the goods do not align to the regulations. There isn't going to be a deal where the UK can avoid regulations that apply to the other 27 nations.

[Jack Knave]

Had to laugh over the double standards with bargaining chips.  Spanish use of Gibraltar - a heinous and dastardly foreign trick.  British use of EU citizens and cooperation over terrorism - entirely sagacious and strategic vision.    I wondered if anyone is fooled by this garbage, but yes, probably.

It seems you have been fooled. They have used EU citizens when they refused May's offer some months back to deal with it before Art 50.

Security is part of the exit/divorce negotiations, Gibraltar isn't.

[wigginhall]

The obvious example in relation to regulations,  is diesel engines and cars.   The EU frequently publish directives on diesel, I think we are up to directive 6 by now.   I don't see how you can export engines and cars unless you conform to such directives.    They would be unsellable in the EU, and possibly illegal.   Do the headbangers really think that we can just export what we want?   Are these people for real?

[jeremyp]

Security is part of the exit/divorce negotiations, Gibraltar isn't.

Yes it is. Haven't you been following the news recently?

[Jack Knave]

It was very simple. You cannot have freedom of movement if goods if the goods do not align to the regulations. There isn't going to be a deal where the UK can avoid regulations that apply to the other 27 nations.

And it is very simple, my simpleton, a trade deal is a trade deal. A contract is a contract, it can't be changed on a whim by only one side.