Brexit - the next steps

[Nearly Sane]

We have fascists, it's called the EU, and it hasn't worked.

is this a game where we can just redefine words? We have cheese, it's called Gareth Southgate.

[Jack Knave]

what vote do you hope for in France?

Le Pen

[Jack Knave]

is this a game where we can just redefine words? We have cheese, it's called Gareth Southgate.

No it is where people need to open their eyes and see the truth of the situation.

[Nearly Sane]

Le Pen

mmm there we are then, we have cheese, it's called Gareth Southgate

[Jack Knave]

mmm there we are then, we have cheese, it's called Gareth Southgate

One thing is cheese is your odd reply. Do explain, NS.

[Nearly Sane]

One thing is cheese is your odd reply. Do explain, NS.

you define stuff, your way.

[Jack Knave]

you define stuff, your way.

All I said was 'Le Pen'.....? 

[wigginhall]

We have fascists, it's called the EU, and it hasn't worked.

You're defining the EU as fascist?  OK,  thanks for the chat.

[jeremyp]

If the US goes all protectionist under Trump I think it is less likely that other EU countries would jump into the unknown on trade by leaving the EU.

It would also be bad for any attempted trade deal the Brexiters promised we were going to make.

[jeremyp]

We have fascists, it's called the EU, and it hasn't worked.

Please give details of the traits of the EU that makes it fascist.

Actually, first it would be good if you could demonstrate that you know what "fascist" means.

[Nearly Sane]

All I said was 'Le Pen'.....? 

You want the cheese, just pointing it out

[Jack Knave]

Please give details of the traits of the EU that makes it fascist.

Actually, first it would be good if you could demonstrate that you know what "fascist" means.

The extreme left and extreme right are basically the same and they are about central control; the ruling of some chosen elites, of some sort. That is the concentration of all power in one place, with no voice from the people; or at least as little as they can give away before they have full power.

[jeremyp]

The extreme left and extreme right are basically the same and they are about central control; the ruling of some chosen elites, of some sort.

Fascists are usually considered to be on the extreme right. Why are you bringing the extreme left into it? Is it because you think the EU is left leaning and you want to justify your erroneous use of the term "fascist"?

That is the concentration of all power in one place, with no voice from the people; or at least as little as they can give away before they have full power.

The EU is nothing like that. The power resides with the sovereign governments of the member states.

[ProfessorDavey]

That is the concentration of all power in one place, with no voice from the people

That is the absolute opposite of the EU.

The basic principles of the EU firstly rest power within the sovereign states - hence the requirement for EU member states individually to approve most matters. Secondly an underlying principle (one largely misunderstood in our overly centralised UK) is subsidiarity - in other words that all decisions should be taken at the most local level appropriate.

The UK is way more centralised than the EU, with our Westminster government meddling in all sorts of matters that would better be dealt with at a much more local level. So as an example my local school is effectively controlled directly from the DfE in Westminster as it is an academy. Once upon a time it was responsible to a local education authority which was locally accountable, but not any more.

[Nearly Sane]

Nigel being Nigel - isn't sexual assault funny?



http://tinyurl.com/zatw9ru

[Jack Knave]

Fascists are usually considered to be on the extreme right. Why are you bringing the extreme left into it? Is it because you think the EU is left leaning and you want to justify your erroneous use of the term "fascist"?

Can't you read? I said they are basically the same, as I explained! This is like trying to explain to the permanently baffled!!!

The EU is nothing like that. The power resides with the sovereign governments of the member states.

I knew you would come out with this bland rhetoric. Ignore what is going on and look into their hearts and wishes of what they truly want - ever closer union; all the power concentrated in Brussels i.e. fascists, soviet style socialists, call it what you will. This is their end goal, absolute power for their absolute corruption.

[jeremyp]

Can't you read? I said they are basically the same,

Can't you read? I was saying your comment and bullshit are basically the same.

The EU is in no way far left or far right.

I knew you would come out with this bland rhetoric.

The truth is often less exciting than people like you want t admit.

Ignore what is going on and look into their hearts

Ask yourself "who is they?" and you'll understand why everything you have said is bollocks.

"They" are the heads of governments of the EU. It is the EU governments that set policy not officials in Brussels.

And what is wrong with ever closer union anyway? It's not as if the governments we elect are any good at running our own affairs.

[Jack Knave]

Can't you read? I was saying your comment and bullshit are basically the same.

The EU is in no way far left or far right.

The truth is often less exciting than people like you want t admit.
Ask yourself "who is they?" and you'll understand why everything you have said is bollocks.

"They" are the heads of governments of the EU. It is the EU governments that set policy not officials in Brussels.

And what is wrong with ever closer union anyway? It's not as if the governments we elect are any good at running our own affairs.

You are redefining what I said so creating a straw man.

There are two things you can't do and that's prove a negative and debate rationally with a deluded idiot who has lost touch with reality.

[Sebastian Toe]

There are two things you can't do and that's prove a negative and debate rationally with a deluded idiot who has lost touch with reality.

At last a cut and paste to use to reply to all of your posts! 

[jeremyp]

You are redefining what I said so creating a straw man.

Nope. You claimed the EU was fascist and then said some vague nonsense about the far left being the same as the far right without showing that the EU was either.

There are two things you can't do and that's prove a negative

I'm not trying to prove a negative, I'm trying to get you to prove (by which I mean show evidence for) a positive claim, namely hat the EU is fascist.

and debate rationally with a deluded idiot who has lost touch with reality.

No you are right I can't, but I'm having fun trying.

[jeremyp]

At last a cut and paste to use to reply to all of your posts! 

Except proper attention should be paid to the pronouns lest it could be read as your opponent being the "you".

[SusanDoris]

Item on 'Today' this morning: A woman was pointing out that out of the EU will mean that nowhere near enough  checks will be made to ensure that baby milk formulae are safe. I just hope Brexiters realise that there are going to be many hundreds if not thousands of such problems which will need the energy and commitment of such people as the woman mentioned, to avoid such dangers.

[Sebastian Toe]

 

Except proper attention should be paid to the pronouns lest it could be read as your opponent being the "you".

[Nearly Sane]

What is the govt trying to achieve here? Do they know?


https://www.timeshighereducation.com/blog/i-feel-truly-ashamed-keith-burnett-theresa-mays-trade-mission-india

[Sebastian Toe]

What is the govt trying to achieve here? Do they know?


https://www.timeshighereducation.com/blog/i-feel-truly-ashamed-keith-burnett-theresa-mays-trade-mission-india

I don't know  but I would like to see where he gets the 14 billion a year figure from.