Brexit - the next steps

[Nearly Sane]

And next in the ongoing series Brexit means wtf exactly?

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/12/06/very-quietly-liam-fox-admits-the-brexit-lie

[Nearly Sane]

This clears it all up!!!!


http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-mays-call-for-red-white-and-blue-brexit-sparks-ridicule-a3413656.html

[ProfessorDavey]

This clears it all up!!!!


http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-mays-call-for-red-white-and-blue-brexit-sparks-ridicule-a3413656.html

Red, White and Blue, in other words the colours of the French flag, on the basis that it will be the French (who according to the photographed handwritten 'cake and eat it' memo will be driving the negotiations) who will be calling the shots and ensuring that the deal is the very best possible ... for the EU.

[Jack Knave]

You are not against them when they are rigged? 

That should have been 'only'.

[Jack Knave]

This clears it all up!!!!


http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-mays-call-for-red-white-and-blue-brexit-sparks-ridicule-a3413656.html

Time for a GE.

[Nearly Sane]

Time for a GE.

please god/dog/Dawkins , No!!!

[Jack Knave]

please god/dog/Dawkins , No!!!

Why not?

[Nearly Sane]

Why not?

because I'm electioned and referendummed out. We had in two years ,a GE, a Scottish Parliament election this year, a Scottish referendum two years ago, and the European referendum this year. Sort it out!

[wigginhall]

Yeah but, it is being sorted out.  We now know it's a red, white and blue Brexit.   Surely, this marks a significant intellectual, political and moral step forward. 

[wigginhall]

I am struggling to follow the arguments about Scotland and N. Ireland, which seem to be (partly) that Brexit will alter the 'competences' of both countries.  In relation to N. Ireland, the Good Friday agreement is bound up with the republic, which is in the EU, and of course, many people in N. Ireland are also Irish citizens.  On Scotland, still struggling to catch up, but partly the question as to whether Westminster can dictate to Holyrood, and how much consent is required.   Bloody hell, no wonder they get paid fifty grand a day, or whatever, (barristers).   

Many rave reviews about Lord Bannick, but I missed TV film of him, reputed to be the best orator of his generation.  So, £60, 000 a day, maybe?   

[Jack Knave]

because I'm electioned and referendummed out. We had in two years ,a GE, a Scottish Parliament election this year, a Scottish referendum two years ago, and the European referendum this year. Sort it out!

We've only had a GE and a referendum in that time and I'm still thirsty!!!

[Gonnagle]

Dear Wigs,

We are the soundbite generation, Red, White and Blue Brexit, soft Brexit, Hard Brexit, Brexit means Brexit!

Tory smoke and mirrors, what is wrong with May Just coming out and saying, look folks we are in uncharted territory, but then, that is honesty, Tories don't do honesty.

Gonnagle.

[Aruntraveller]

We've only had a GE and a referendum in that time and I'm still thirsty!!!

Well I'm not. Just let the dust settle and let things work themselves out for better or worse. I suspect worse if certain mindsets prevail but hey ho.

The economic self emasculation begins:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38245646

[wigginhall]

Dear Wigs,

We are the soundbite generation, Red, White and Blue Brexit, soft Brexit, Hard Brexit, Brexit means Brexit!

Tory smoke and mirrors, what is wrong with May Just coming out and saying, look folks we are in uncharted territory, but then, that is honesty, Tories don't do honesty.

Gonnagle.

Well, May is really looking after the Tory party, isn't she?   She is trying to hold them together, but then I suppose Cameron was with his ***** referendum. 

[Gonnagle]

Dear Wigs,

Yes! And that is all she is doing, looking after her beloved Tory party, Nero fiddling whilst Rome burns, oh sorry! She is also visiting her pals in Saudi, so that's nice! Next port of call, dinner with that very nice chap Mr Trump!

Gonnagle.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Trent,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38245646

Well known fact, sailors knew when the ship was in trouble when the rats started leaving.

Gonnagle.

[wigginhall]

Dear Wigs,

Yes! And that is all she is doing, looking after her beloved Tory party, Nero fiddling whilst Rome burns, oh sorry! She is also visiting her pals in Saudi, so that's nice! Next port of call, dinner with that very nice chap Mr Trump!

Gonnagle.

Well, keep squeezing the poor and the disabled, and help the rich get richer, and everything will be OK in Toryland. 

[Anchorman]

I am struggling to follow the arguments about Scotland and N. Ireland, which seem to be (partly) that Brexit will alter the 'competences' of both countries.  In relation to N. Ireland, the Good Friday agreement is bound up with the republic, which is in the EU, and of course, many people in N. Ireland are also Irish citizens.  On Scotland, still struggling to catch up, but partly the question as to whether Westminster can dictate to Holyrood, and how much consent is required.   Bloody hell, no wonder they get paid fifty grand a day, or whatever, (barristers).   

Many rave reviews about Lord Bannick, but I missed TV film of him, reputed to be the best orator of his generation.  So, £60, 000 a day, maybe?   

Keep struggling!
https://stv.tv/news/politics/1375141-act-of-union-forbids-uk-government-from-starting-brexit/?utm_content=buffer4a4b1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

[Walter]

Well, keep squeezing the poor and the disabled, and help the rich get richer, and everything will be OK in Toryland.

here here!

[wigginhall]

Keep struggling!
https://stv.tv/news/politics/1375141-act-of-union-forbids-uk-government-from-starting-brexit/?utm_content=buffer4a4b1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Cheers, Jim.  I suspect that the Supremes will say that this is a convention not a law, and can therefore be ignored.

[Jack Knave]

Dear Wigs,

We are the soundbite generation, Red, White and Blue Brexit, soft Brexit, Hard Brexit, Brexit means Brexit!

Tory smoke and mirrors, what is wrong with May Just coming out and saying, look folks we are in uncharted territory, but then, that is honesty, Tories don't do honesty.

Gonnagle.

All politicians are dishonest, especially if they are in power or want your vote.

[Jack Knave]

Well I'm not. Just let the dust settle and let things work themselves out for better or worse. I suspect worse if certain mindsets prevail but hey ho.

The economic self emasculation begins:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38245646

I reckon we are going to have an early GE because the Remoaners are causing so much trouble that they will ask the government to do something that they will refuse to do: reveal what their negotiation plans are in too much detail. This will be attached to the triggering of Art50; though I'm not sure how binding the motion they have just voted on is, I don't think very much. There will be a vote of no confidence in the government which could then lead to an early GE.

[ProfessorDavey]

All politicians are dishonest, especially if they are in power or want your vote.

What an appalling generalisation. I have know a few MPs personally (of more than one party) plus a fair number of local politicians - county and district councillors.

While I might not have agreed with all on their political views in every case they were exceptionally hard working and were genuinely motivated by wanting to make a difference to people. I have never seen any dishonesty - I thought some were wrong-headed for sure at times - but dishonest, nope.

JK - do you actually personally know any politicians, e.g. MPs, MEPs, local councillors?

[ProfessorDavey]

I reckon we are going to have an early GE because the Remoaners are causing so much trouble that they will ask the government to do something that they will refuse to do: reveal what their negotiation plans are in too much detail. This will be attached to the triggering of Art50; though I'm not sure how binding the motion they have just voted on is, I don't think very much. There will be a vote of no confidence in the government which could then lead to an early GE.

The only way there can be an early general election if if the government votes in favour of a vote of no confidence in itself (which would be the bizarrest of situations). Alternatively it would need to repeal the fixed term parliament act, which could be thwarted by a few MPs concerned about their majorities voting against.

[Sebastian Toe]

All politicians are dishonest, especially if they are in power or want your vote.

That would include politicians like Trump and Farage then?