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Nearly Sane

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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #475 on: February 17, 2017, 08:28:58 AM »
Quote from: Sriram on February 17, 2017, 07:10:13 AM

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38996179

Tony Blair on a mission to persuade people to rise up against Brexit!  Rather late in the day perhaps ...but nevertheless!
oh ffs, that's all that's needed
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« Reply #476 on: February 17, 2017, 09:37:36 AM »
Oh, that I should be reduced to agreeing with Blair......
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #477 on: February 17, 2017, 01:29:55 PM »
Since the Brexit vote I have spoken to a number of people who voted to leave, but hadn't a clue what they were actually voting for.
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« Reply #478 on: February 17, 2017, 04:05:33 PM »
Quote from: Floo on February 17, 2017, 01:29:55 PM
Since the Brexit vote I have spoken to a number of people who voted to leave, but hadn't a clue what they were actually voting for.
Did you have a clue about what you were voting for, Floo?  ;D
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« Reply #479 on: March 11, 2017, 05:50:55 PM »
I have jjust had a phone call from a friend to tell me that on Thursday, BBC 2, Newsnight,  Richard Dawkins was expressing his very strong opinions about the way the Brexit decision was taken. I am going to look it up, but I wonder if anyone here saw it and what were your opinions. I shall be particularly interested in Prof Davey's and JeremyP's opinions with which I usually agree!
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #480 on: March 11, 2017, 05:53:15 PM »
Quote from: SusanDoris on March 11, 2017, 05:50:55 PM
I have jjust had a phone call from a friend to tell me that on Thursday, BBC 2, Newsnight,  Richard Dawkins was expressing his very strong opinions about the way the Brexit decision was taken. I am going to look it up, but I wonder if anyone here saw it and what were your opinions. I shall be particularly interested in Prof Davey's and JeremyP's opinions with which I usually agree!

It's all over the Internet.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39218108

Apart from his intemperate language, he is completely correct.
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« Reply #481 on: March 11, 2017, 06:08:08 PM »
Quote from: jeremyp on March 11, 2017, 05:53:15 PM
It's all over the Internet.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39218108

Apart from his intemperate language, he is completely correct.
Thank you, Jeremy. One of the things my friend said was that she had not heard it mentioned elsewhere, and I must say neither have I, so I am pleased to hear it is being seen widely. I think a bit of intemporate language is quite usefuloccasionally!
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« Reply #482 on: March 11, 2017, 06:30:16 PM »
That is a good clip. He is right, but it is also valid to question the apparent creep of constitutional changes as members of the EU - without referenda and 2/3rd ratification by both houses.

That the UK constitution is a ragbag of old scraps and a proper EU constitution was abandoned when the proposals were rejected in referenda, prior to Lisbon, does (or did) affect how people feel about membership.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #483 on: March 11, 2017, 08:26:34 PM »
Quote from: jeremyp on March 11, 2017, 05:53:15 PM
It's all over the Internet.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39218108

Apart from his intemperate language, he is completely correct.
In that case, if you think that, he's totally wrong.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #484 on: March 16, 2017, 05:57:38 PM »
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« Reply #485 on: March 17, 2017, 01:14:26 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on March 16, 2017, 05:57:38 PM
David Davis and the no plan plan


http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/a44440b6-2864-4e28-9150-518e1ddfa5bc
The possible No Plan Plan is that we demand much and if we don't get it we walk. But the EU needs us for banking and security so who do you think will win?
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #486 on: March 21, 2017, 11:27:45 AM »
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« Reply #489 on: March 21, 2017, 07:34:31 PM »
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #490 on: March 22, 2017, 06:24:51 PM »
Quote from: jeremyp on March 21, 2017, 07:34:31 PM
Good news for goats.
They've been bleating about this for years!!!
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« Reply #491 on: March 29, 2017, 02:25:26 PM »
I see that May in parliament is talking about 'free and frictionless access to the single market'.   She has no choice, as anything else will be a calamity for some businesses.   But is it possible for a country outside the EU?   
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« Reply #492 on: March 29, 2017, 02:27:53 PM »
Not without accepting the regulations which is surely not what is being sold.
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« Reply #493 on: March 29, 2017, 02:31:52 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on March 29, 2017, 02:27:53 PM
Not without accepting the regulations which is surely not what is being sold.

Yes, the regulations are 'harmonized', which is why my truck at the moment can drive to Bucharest, and sail through borders, as long as I have entered it (and its cargo), on the electronic database.   But after Brexit, I can't do that, I will need paper documents, to be checked at every border.   I doubt if the EU are going to say, OK, you can have free movement of goods as a special favour.   Why would they do that?
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #494 on: March 29, 2017, 02:35:29 PM »
Yep, we might be exporting the bendy bananas, or the powerful hoover, or lightbulbs that we are 'banned' from having at the moment.
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« Reply #495 on: March 29, 2017, 04:19:46 PM »
Although I still think we should have remained in the EU, I see one small glint of something positive and that is that, since nearly every other country has English as a second language, this country, its people and its language remain central.
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« Reply #496 on: March 29, 2017, 04:48:03 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on March 29, 2017, 02:27:53 PM
Not without accepting the regulations which is surely not what is being sold.
The myopic idiotic people keep forgetting we will have the rest of the world to trade with, on our terms not the EUs. The 27 members won't and so will suffer as the EU is diminishing. And that we hold some strong cards which will put pressure on their hand to give us a good deal.
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« Reply #497 on: March 29, 2017, 04:52:42 PM »
Quote from: wigginhall on March 29, 2017, 02:31:52 PM
Yes, the regulations are 'harmonized', which is why my truck at the moment can drive to Bucharest, and sail through borders, as long as I have entered it (and its cargo), on the electronic database.   But after Brexit, I can't do that, I will need paper documents, to be checked at every border.   I doubt if the EU are going to say, OK, you can have free movement of goods as a special favour.   Why would they do that?
Because our goods are harmonized with theirs already so no need for long negotiations etc. and that they need us as much as we need them so they will be pressurized to capitulate.

You've got a truck?
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« Reply #498 on: March 29, 2017, 04:56:07 PM »
Quote from: Jack Knave on March 29, 2017, 04:48:03 PM
The myopic idiotic people keep forgetting we will have the rest of the world to trade with, on our terms not the EUs. The 27 members won't and so will suffer as the EU is diminishing. And that we hold some strong cards which will put pressure on their hand to give us a good deal.

The rest of the world are going to trade with the UK on the UK's terms?

And the EU magically can't trade with them!

And that's ignoring that in terns of free movement of goods, the above is a non sequitur.
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« Reply #499 on: March 29, 2017, 04:57:56 PM »
Quote from: Jack Knave on March 29, 2017, 04:52:42 PM
Because our goods are harmonized with theirs already so no need for long negotiations etc. and that they need us as much as we need them so they will be pressurized to capitulate.

You've got a truck?

But then because our goods are harmonized with their"s the regulations will continue to apply for those exports. Therefore in business terns, we will continue to apply them here because it keeps the harmonization.
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