Brexit - the next steps

[Ricky Spanish]

Good.

She'd only fuck-it-up anyways...

LONDON — Prime Minister Theresa May will be blocked from negotiating Brexit with fellow European leaders once talks officially get underway, senior figures from the European Union warned on Wednesday.

May will not be invited to meetings of the heads of government of other member states and will only be allowed to discuss the terms of Brexit with Michel Barnier, European Commission’s chief negotiator, the Times newspaper reported.

This latest development is yet another blow to May's Brexit plan.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/eu-threatens-to-ban-theresa-may-from-taking-part-in-brexit-talks-2017-5

[Ricky Spanish]

If only all the Tory voters would sit down and think...

She was a terrible Home Secretary with an appalling record of failure in every policy area.  However, I accept that she was the inevitable choice for the leader when both Boris and Michael Gove bottled out.  Also, as I’ve written before, we needed someone stubborn, obstinate, pig-headed, intransigent and incapable of listening to get Article 50 triggered in the face of the anti-democratic Remaniacs.  She did a good job of that but now we need a real leader, someone who can actually implement her empty words about a “country that works for everyone” – which Ms May neither really means nor is she even capable of achieving.

https://peterreynolds.wordpress.com/2017/05/07/theresa-may-isnt-strong-shes-cowardly-evasive-and-weak-and-im-a-tory/

[floo]

Under the wishy washy Corbyn Labour looks pathetic. I am not in favour of Brexit, but think Theresa May is the person to strike a reasonable deal, unlike Corbyn.

[Aruntraveller]

This is an incredibly long read (took me 15 minutes - be warned) but so very, very important in illuminating the huge mistake we are currently, as a nation, making:

http://www.brexitshambles.com/long-read-what-are-the-economic-effects-of-britain-leaving-the-eu/

[Aruntraveller]

Under the wishy washy Corbyn Labour looks pathetic. I am not in favour of Brexit, but think Theresa May is the person to strike a reasonable deal, unlike Corbyn.

You are deluded Floo if you think May is able to strike anything with any certainty. She is actually the complete opposite of her current 'Strong and Stable' claim.

She's a weak, lily-livered shyster. That people can't see it in her every speech and her every movement completely astonishes me.

It's a con. You are being played and you can't even see it.

[floo]

You are deluded Floo if you think May is able to strike anything with any certainty. She is actually the complete opposite of her current 'Strong and Stable' claim.

She's a weak, lily-livered shyster. That people can't see it in her every speech and her every movement completely astonishes me.

It's a con. You are being played and you can't even see it.

Well do you think Corbyn would do a better job, I don't?

[Aruntraveller]

Well do you think Corbyn would do a better job, I don't?

Why?

Because he puts the needs of the many above the needs of the few?

Is what you really want a country in debt to the USA - with no market in the EU. Because make no mistake the way the Tories are talking that is exactly what we are headed for.

Do you really want an underfunded and increasingly privatized NHS and Schools service.

Look up how many Tories have interests in private medical firms. Look it up and ask if they are working in the best interests of the country.

 Do you want the current dreadful infrastructure to endure - because a vote for The tories is exactly that.

Sometimes your appalling complacency is really to much to bear.

 

[floo]

Why?

Because he puts the needs of the many above the needs of the few?

Is what you really want a country in debt to the USA - with no market in the EU. Because make no mistake the way the Tories are talking that is exactly what we are headed for.

Do you really want an underfunded and increasingly privatized NHS and Schools service.

Look up how many Tories have interests in private medical firms. Look it up and ask if they are working in the best interests of the country.

 Do you want the current appalling infrastructure to endure - because a vote for The tories is exactly that.

Sometimes your appalling complacency is really to much to bear.

Corbyn couldn't remove the skin from a rice pudding, imo! He makes pledges which he isn't likely to keep if he became PM because he wouldn't be able to afford them. He was all for scrapping Trident too, but has gone a bit quiet on that now, possibly beginning to realise we do need it as a deterrent  One needs a PM who is realistic, which I think May is, even if I don't see everything her way.

[Aruntraveller]

May is realistic??

This is a woman who has stated repeatedly that she will get as good a deal from the EU as we currently enjoy.

HELLO - you really think that is going to happen. Are you completely nuts?

Also why not take a look at the amount of money that the Duke of Westminster has managed to avoid paying and then tell me that if that revenue had been captured we couldn't go quite some way to realising Labours' spending commitments.

I repeat you are being played by the press - remind me who are they owned by? Oh yes mainly overseas millinonaires who pay no tax here. Wake up.

Oh yes and don't forget the impartial BBC - Kuenssberg, Dimbleby, Robinson et al.

[wigginhall]

I can see why affluent people are going to vote for May, but it's baffling that many poorer people apparently will.   Seven years of austerity, a bizarre EU referendum, and now a PM who looks very shaky to me.   She has to be kept away from ordinary people, as she is so hopeless.   You can bet that the poor and the disabled will continue to be punished - I suppose that the English like it, as long as it's someone else, preferably lower down the scale - the undeserving poor, (think Dickens).

Still, who said politics was rational. 

[floo]

May is realistic??

This is a woman who has stated repeatedly that she will get as good a deal from the EU as we currently enjoy.

HELLO - you really think that is going to happen. Are you completely nuts?

Also why not take a look at the amount of money that the Duke of Westminster has managed to avoid paying and then tell me that if that revenue had been captured we couldn't go quite some way to realising Labours' spending commitments.

I repeat you are being played by the press - remind me who are they owned by? Oh yes mainly overseas millinonaires who pay no tax here. Wake up.

Oh yes and don't forget the impartial BBC - Kuenssberg, Dimbleby, Robinson et al.

I am not influenced by anyone but me, never have been, which didn't exactly make me popular with my parents as a child! I think May will do a better job than Corbyn, but I can't say I am thrilled about either party.   

[Aruntraveller]

I am not influenced by anyone but me, never have been, which didn't exactly make me popular with my parents as a child! I think May will do a better job than Corbyn, but I can't say I am thrilled about either party.

Why will she do a better job?

Because she's told you she's strong and stable?

Because she has policies that help the less well off in society?

Because she will vote for a return to fox hunting?

Because she will allow the continuation of the disgusting fit for work programme.

Because she will allow the continuation of the privatization of the NHS?

Why?

What reasons other than 'she'll do a better job' ?

[wigginhall]

The English like the odour of matron that May give off, stern, efficient, carbolic soap.    But it's a fantasy, but then most of  politics is.   

[floo]

Why will she do a better job?

Because she's told you she's strong and stable?

Because she has policies that help the less well off in society?

Because she will vote for a return to fox hunting?

Because she will allow the continuation of the disgusting fit for work programme.

Because she will allow the continuation of the privatization of the NHS?

Why?

What reasons other than 'she'll do a better job' ?

I think May is better able to sort Brexit mess than Corbyn.

The Government has to be realistic about what can be afforded, it is the tax payer's money after all which is funding everything.

I have no problem with fox hunting it is a good way of keeping them down, better than shooting them.

Of course people should be checked regularly to see if they are fit for work, it would be WRONG not to do so. Our Down's Syndrome son works a few days a week, even though he is quite severely mentally disabled, and so he should. It doesn't do him any harm and he seems to enjoy it.

[wigginhall]

Ironically, the Brexit mess has been created by the Tories, who didn't understand what it  might mean, and as far as one can tell, still don't.   We get whiffs of hard Brexit, but then something else, frictionless trade, as Mrs May puts it.   I think Boris called it having your cake and eating it, well, yes.   It's their mess.

[Aruntraveller]

I think May is better able to sort Brexit mess than Corbyn.

How is she? By insisting she is Strong and stable. I think when she meets Frau Merkel she will only then fully realize what the definition of strong and stable is.

Yes it does - so let's stop the super rich getting away with taking us for mugs. Lets get the appropriate amount of money from them.

So in your opinion it is less painful to be torn apart by dogs than by being shot. Its also more effective to have groups of horses ridden by men trampling over the countryside after solitary foxes. OK if you see it that way. It shows your very humane, caring nature. Not to mention your understanding of the word 'effective'.

So you are in favour of the terminally ill being checked to see if they are fit for work. Nice to know.

[floo]

Ironically, the Brexit mess has been created by the Tories, who didn't understand what it  might mean, and as far as one can tell, still don't.   We get whiffs of hard Brexit, but then something else, frictionless trade, as Mrs May puts it.   I think Boris called it having your cake and eating it, well, yes.   It's their mess.

And it is a mess they have to put right, as I believe Corbyn just hasn't got the clout to be able to do so. I suspect many in the Labour party will feel the same.

I hope the Tories get in, although with not too huge a majority, I don't think that is good for any party. However, at the election I will be voting for our local MP (Labour) whom I have met in person when he came round to our home several years ago at our invitation. I liked him and thought he was doing a good job for his constituents.

[floo]

How is she? By insisting she is Strong and stable. I think when she meets Frau Merkel she will only then fully realize what the definition of strong and stable is.

Yes it does - so let's stop the super rich getting away with taking us for mugs. Lets get the appropriate amount of money from them.

So in your opinion it is less painful to be torn apart by dogs than by being shot. Its also more effective to have groups of horses ridden by men trampling over the countryside after solitary foxes. OK if you see it that way. It shows your very humane, caring nature. Not to mention your understanding of the word 'effective'.

So you are in favour of the terminally ill being checked to see if they are fit for work. Nice to know.

I make no apology for my POV.

[Aruntraveller]

I make no apology for my POV.

Yes I realize that. The thing is that you really should.

[wigginhall]

Checking the terminally ill to see if they're fit for work, surely helps the NHS, as some of them inevitably die in the process, so that's one less bed in the hospital, I call that win/win.   <sarcasm smiley>

[floo]

Yes I realize that. The thing is that you really should.

Why? My POV is as valid as yours.

[Aruntraveller]

Why? My POV is as valid as yours.

Is it? What on earth makes you think that?

I do not mean to belittle you here - but you are just saying that every viewpoint is as valid as any other. It means nothing.

[floo]

Is it? What on earth makes you think that?

I do not mean to belittle you here - but you are just saying that every viewpoint is as valid as any other. It means nothing.

So you think your POV is more valid than mine? Never mind we will have to agree to differ.

[Nearly Sane]

So you think your POV is more valid than mine? Never mind we will have to agree to differ.

So, if I say I want to have sex with four year old children, is my POV just as valid as your's?

[Aruntraveller]

So you think your POV is more valid than mine? Never mind we will have to agree to differ.

You are missing the point. It's not whether mine is more valid than yours (although it is )

you are saying that Donald Trump's POV is as valid as yours. Or Stalin. Or Pol Pot. Need I commit a Godwinism to make my point?

You are saying that everybody's POV is valid. Really. How does that work then?