Brexit - the next steps

[floo]

So, if I say I want to have sex with four year old children, is my POV just as valid as your's?

We are talking about politics, not paedophilia!

[Nearly Sane]

We are talking about politics, not paedophilia!

what difference does that make as to whether a POV is valid?

[Aruntraveller]

Ok as a politician Theresa May wants to lower the age of consent to 3. Is that a valid viewpoint?

[floo]

what difference does that make as to whether a POV is valid?

Because this thread is about a political situation and on which people are expressing their POV.

[Aruntraveller]

Because this thread is about a political situation and on which people are expressing their POV.

OK so if Nigel Farage came on here to express his viewpoints are his views as valid as yours?

[Nearly Sane]

Because this thread is about a political situation and on which people are expressing their POV.

But why does that make any difference as to whether a POV is valui?

[floo]

OK so if Nigel Farage came on here to express his viewpoints are his views as valid as yours?

To him they are no doubt as valid, even though I totally disagree with him.

[Nearly Sane]

To him they are no doubt as valid, even though I totally disagree with him.

And my desire to have sex with four year old children is just as value to me.

[floo]

And my desire to have sex with four year old children is just as value to me.

What has that to do with POLITICS?

[Nearly Sane]

What has that to do with POLITICS?

why does it being about politics make any difference about whether a POV is valid? If I was campaigning for the legalise sex with four year old children party, does that mean that it would be just as valid?

[Aruntraveller]

To him they are no doubt as valid, even though I totally disagree with him.

Definition of valid
(of an argument or point) having a sound basis in logic or fact; reasonable or cogent:

"a valid criticism"


synonyms: well founded · sound · well grounded · reasonable · rational · logical · justifiable · defensible · defendable · supportable · sustainable · maintainable ·

So Farage's pov fit the criteria above do they? Or Stalin's. Or Trump's.

You are in fact telling me that Trump (or at least the philosophy, if you can call it a philosophy, he espouses)is well grounded, reasonable and rational. Who'd have thunk it.

[floo]

Definition of valid
(of an argument or point) having a sound basis in logic or fact; reasonable or cogent:

"a valid criticism"


synonyms: well founded · sound · well grounded · reasonable · rational · logical · justifiable · defensible · defendable · supportable · sustainable · maintainable ·

So Farage's pov fit the criteria above do they? Or Stalin's. Or Trump's.

You are in fact telling me that Trump (or at least the philosophy, if you can call it a philosophy, he espouses)is well grounded, reasonable and rational. Who'd have thunk it.

I think Trump is crazy, but no doubt he thinks his POV is valid! Look we are going round and round in circles, let's get back to the topic concerned on this thread.

[Aruntraveller]

I think Trump is crazy, but no doubt he thinks his POV is valid!

Yes he may think his POV is valid - but objectively is it?

[Nearly Sane]

I think Trump is crazy, but no doubt he thinks his POV is valid! Look we are going round and round in circles, let's get back to the topic concerned on this thread.

it is related to the thread, since your claim is that your POV is valid, simply because it is your POV.

[Aruntraveller]

Look we are going round and round in circles, let's get back to the topic concerned on this thread.

Don't include me in that. You are the one that is refusing to see that not every point of view has the same validity.

It is one of the defining things about this nation that it has so conspired against the idea that intelligence has value for a society.

The viewpoint that my views are as good as yours feeds directly into that.

This is why we get anti-vaxers and deniers of climate change.

Experts what do they know? My Dad smoked 80 a day until he died at 90. Cigarettes aren't harmful. VALID.

More like valid as a really stupid comment.

[floo]

Every point of view has validity to the person expressing it, one presumes!

[Aruntraveller]

Every point of view has validity to the person expressing it, one presumes!

Still missing the point.

There's no wonder BREXIT happened.

[Nearly Sane]

Every point of view has validity to the person expressing it, one presumes!

Which doesn't mean that any POV is as valid as any other in an external sense. So that you regard your POV as valid is entirely useless as to whether it actually is.

[Nearly Sane]

I don't think it makes the argument conclusive but there are things to discuss


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/29/opinion/britain-brexit-economy.html?_r=1

[wigginhall]

Strange how this has been labelled the Brexit election, since it has not really been discussed, except in the most general terms.  For example, May's mantra 'no deal is better than a bad deal' has not been examined.   What does no deal really mean?  It might mean that British aircraft cannot fly through European airspace, I think.   But everyone is keeping quiet, maybe because nobody has a clue.  I can see that the govt don't want to give away their position, so they are asking for a blank cheque.   For the second time!

[Udayana]

Quite. In fact there is nothing to discuss about Brexit as the UK is now committed to some form of it - depending on negotiations.

No-one knows or can plan for how these turn out, only claim to be better negotiator - with no evidence to back them up.
 

[Nearly Sane]

Quite. In fact there is nothing to discuss about Brexit as the UK is now committed to some form of it - depending on negotiations.

No-one knows or can plan for how these turn out, only claim to be better negotiator - with no evidence to back them up.

Disagree. For example the no deal is better than a bad deal mantra assumes WTO rules ...Except those need to be agreed with 164 countries else you don't get in and Russia is already salivating

[Udayana]

So the others are to campaign for a "any deal" rather than "no deal"? Won't go down well. Everyone says they will get the "best deal".

[Nearly Sane]

So the others are to campaign for a "any deal" rather than "no deal"? Won't go down well. Everyone says they will get the "best deal".

So an even worse deal is better by your logic?

[Udayana]

The best deal is best and they are all going for it, so where is the debate that makes this election about Brexit? It is clearly not.