Author Topic: Brexit - the next steps (Read 417803 times)

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #750 on:** June 23, 2017, 05:18:51 PM »

Quote from: ProfessorDavey on June 23, 2017, 05:11:12 PM

Gisela Stuart - one of the leaders of the Leave campaign (and one of the very few Labour figures to campaign to leave) - is now saying that the referendum was a mistake and should never have taken place.

Who was it that said:

"If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy."

Oh, yes - that would be David Davis - the Minister for Brexit.

I think your post isn't a true representation of Stuarts's position as she still thinks leaving is right just that the question was badly done and that the lack of planning for leave by the govt was wrong

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-referendum-vacuous-gisela-stuart-leading-leave-campaigner-abuse-democratic-process-comments-a7803631.html

ProfessorDavey · « **Reply #751 on:** June 23, 2017, 06:28:52 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on June 23, 2017, 05:18:51 PM

I think your post isn't a true representation of Stuarts's position as she still thinks leaving is right just that the question was badly done and that the lack of planning for leave by the govt was wrong

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-referendum-vacuous-gisela-stuart-leading-leave-campaigner-abuse-democratic-process-comments-a7803631.html

I said that she had said the referendum shouldn't have happened, which seems a perfect interpretation of what she has said (see your article link).

I never said, nor indeed implied, that she had changed her personal view on whether the UK should leave the EU.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #752 on:** June 23, 2017, 10:54:57 PM »

Stop the news

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40386788/brexit-andrea-leadsom-says-broadcasters-need-to-be-patriotic

SweetPea · « **Reply #753 on:** June 24, 2017, 12:48:44 AM »

Quote from: Rhiannon on June 23, 2017, 07:34:30 AM

George Soros certainly thinks Brexit will be reversed.
.....

Lol! Wishful thinking on his behalf. Soros stands to lose billions on Brexit.

Aruntraveller · « **Reply #754 on:** June 24, 2017, 07:47:41 AM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on June 23, 2017, 10:54:57 PM

Stop the news

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40386788/brexit-andrea-leadsom-says-broadcasters-need-to-be-patriotic

Who knew Samuel Johnson would still be getting it right after all these years.

floo · « **Reply #755 on:** June 24, 2017, 09:31:06 AM »

Patriotism has no place in broadcasting, they should tell it how it is, even if it isn't to a country's credit.

Rhiannon · « **Reply #756 on:** June 24, 2017, 10:24:47 AM »

Apart from when England win the World Cup. So not often really.

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #757 on:** June 24, 2017, 10:56:46 AM »

Quote from: Rhiannon on June 22, 2017, 10:18:21 PM

Does anyone think Brexit will be reversed?

I think it's an option. It depends on the GBP and business.
Brexit was always going to be popular as a quick route to a low wage, desperation economy but appears more and more damaging to the Conservative Party. If it looks politically fatal then maybe.

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #758 on:** June 24, 2017, 11:05:22 AM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on June 23, 2017, 10:54:57 PM

Stop the news

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40386788/brexit-andrea-leadsom-says-broadcasters-need-to-be-patriotic

Will that mean announcing that James Corden's ''out at the front''?

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #759 on:** June 25, 2017, 10:01:05 PM »

David Davis sounds like a man begging for a lifeline in a sort of casual round about way.

jeremyp · « **Reply #760 on:** June 25, 2017, 10:06:17 PM »

Quote from: Rhiannon on June 22, 2017, 10:18:21 PM

Does anyone think Brexit will be reversed?

I am beginning to get hopeful.

Harrowby Hall · « **Reply #761 on:** June 26, 2017, 08:17:01 AM »

Quote from: jeremyp on June 25, 2017, 10:06:17 PM

I am beginning to get hopeful.

I think that if the leadership of the Conservative Party can skip a generation then Brexit may be dead in the water.

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #762 on:** June 28, 2017, 08:43:50 AM »

Monbiot suggests that the referendum result is the result of external influences.

Most brexiteers I move voted with no conception of a possible win and a huge belief that things would ''get sorted'' so their vote would have no consequences except perhaps stick one on the establishment.

There........ Brexit explained and never used the word Stupid once.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #763 on:** June 28, 2017, 08:52:07 AM »

Quote from: Emergence-The Musical on June 28, 2017, 08:43:50 AM

Monbiot suggests that the referendum result is the result of external influences.

Most brexiteers I move voted with no conception of a possible win and a huge belief that things would ''get sorted'' so their vote would have no consequences except perhaps stick one on the establishment.

There........ Brexit explained and never used the word Stupid once.

The best argument in favour of Brexit is the behaviour of some of those who voted Remain

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #764 on:** June 28, 2017, 09:33:03 AM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on June 28, 2017, 08:52:07 AM

The best argument in favour of Brexit is the behaviour of some of those who voted Remain

I envy those who can 'reach out' to opponents. I expect you do too eh, Sane?

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #765 on:** June 29, 2017, 11:42:06 PM »

Chuka's new leadership bid?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40451301

Shaker · « **Reply #766 on:** June 30, 2017, 04:23:49 AM »

I don't know if it's that, but if so: didn't he drop out of the race last time citing intrusion into his private life and the effect on his family?

What makes him think it'll be any different second time around?

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #767 on:** July 01, 2017, 01:36:02 AM »

Dave has a dream, mebbe, mebbes not , mebbe he like the Laughing Cow.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40461496

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #768 on:** July 01, 2017, 09:51:44 AM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on June 29, 2017, 11:42:06 PM

Chuka's new leadership bid?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40451301

A year ago I thought that the shutters had come down on labour after brexit and that Cameron had built in a fatal booby trap for labour particularly after the petulant opportunism of the Blairites.

Brexit is a convoluted Tory mess the denouement of which will be another gift of an election and a possibility then of ameliorating the effects. That will be three shots at labour resurrection.....and yet Umunna wants to party like it's july 2016.

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #769 on:** July 07, 2017, 06:28:28 PM »

I'm coming to the sad belief that Brexit was a weapon in a new kind of civil war.
The leaders of Brexit used Brexit to spite a whole range of people and follower brexiteers saw it as a chance to damage other people but in time honoured fashion of they sailed in without thought of the consequences to themselves.

Harrowby Hall · « **Reply #770 on:** July 08, 2017, 08:07:12 AM »

I see that Vlad has been watching Doctor Who again.

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #771 on:** July 08, 2017, 08:45:23 AM »

Quote from: Harrowby Hall on July 08, 2017, 08:07:12 AM

I see that Vlad has been watching Doctor Who again.

Great isn't it?

My latest Brexit referendum analogy is thus:

The referendum was like wanting to get out of a tall building. Instead of planning the route and using the lift or stairs. Brexiteers have chosen to jump out of the window.

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #772 on:** July 09, 2017, 10:04:07 AM »

Latest Brexit thoughts.

Did Cameron plan a lacklustre approach to getting concessions from Europe so that Brexit would scrape through and look like an 'accident'?

I think the possible and emergent economic results look to fulfil how he and Osborne planned to rebalance the economy along classic class divisions and low wage levels and the limited job opportunities of the twenties and thirties and before that.
Cameron himself is someone who seems to have been advantaged by Brexit.

Aruntraveller · « **Reply #773 on:** July 09, 2017, 11:18:34 AM »

Quote from: The Termite-ator on July 09, 2017, 10:04:07 AM

Latest Brexit thoughts.

Did Cameron plan a lacklustre approach to getting concessions from Europe so that Brexit would scrape through and look like an 'accident'?

I think the possible and emergent economic results look to fulfil how he and Osborne planned to rebalance the economy along classic class divisions and low wage levels and the limited job opportunities of the twenties and thirties and before that.
Cameron himself is someone who seems to have been advantaged by Brexit.

Bollocks. Fo homself out of job as PM?

He is not that clever. Nope it was just a fuck up. His fuck up. Nothing more to it than that.
I'll give you this though your ability to generate conspiracy theories remains at an impressive level..

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #774 on:** July 09, 2017, 01:13:40 PM »

Quote from: Trentvoyager on July 09, 2017, 11:18:34 AM

Bollocks. Fo homself out of job as PM?

He is not that clever. Nope it was just a fuck up. His fuck up. Nothing more to it than that.
I'll give you this though your ability to generate conspiracy theories remains at an impressive level..

He had given up though and had announced his retirement hadn't he?
Are the Tories not a conspiracy to heavily reintroduce a stratified hierarchical society, slums, limited social mobility?

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Author Topic: Brexit - the next steps (Read 417803 times)

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