Brexit - the next steps

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Industry, which is now concerned should have intervened in Cameron's plan sooner, in fact before the referendum.
That they did not mount a huge pro EC membership campaign for the UK looks like a huge oversight.

[wigginhall]

Very nasty stories going around that there could be food shortages after Brexit, not because of tariffs, but non-tariff barriers.  I suppose this means checks at borders, where at the moment goods are entered electronically on various data-bases.   The checks could lead to massive truck stacks at every border.

You have to hope that these are fantasies, as also the idea that the headbangers want it, so as to trigger heavy austerity, and the collapse of the welfare state.   Hard to believe really.

[Nearly Sane]

and this is on the same side


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-davis-thick-as-mince-lazy-as-a-toad-dominic-cummings-a7845911.html

[Aruntraveller]

Thick as mince is not an insult I've heard before. And yet it seemscso apt in this instance.

[wigginhall]

You might think that the govt would be reassuring people that there will not be food insecurity or rationing, or truck stacks.   I suppose doing this might raise alarm!  Alternatively, they haven't a clue what is going on.

[Sebastian Toe]

Thick as mince is not an insult I've heard before. And yet it seemscso apt in this instance.

We use it here. Its interchangeable with;
Yur hied's fu o' mince.

[Nearly Sane]

We use it here. Its interchangeable with;
Yur hied's fu o' mince.

Or even that someone is talking pure mince

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Very nasty stories going around that there could be food shortages after Brexit, not because of tariffs, but non-tariff barriers.  I suppose this means checks at borders, where at the moment goods are entered electronically on various data-bases.   The checks could lead to massive truck stacks at every border.

You have to hope that these are fantasies, as also the idea that the headbangers want it, so as to trigger heavy austerity, and the collapse of the welfare state.   Hard to believe really.

There would have to be rationing and utility and that is where welfare comes back in.

[Nearly Sane]

More absurd tales from the front

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-eu-negotiator-europe-euratom-airline-safety-negotiations-theresa-may-worse-anyone-guessed-a7858586.html

[jeremyp]

What's it going to take for people to realise this whole thing is going to be a complete disaster? It would be bad enough if our negotiators were competent.

[Nearly Sane]

Jay Rayner on Michael Gove

https://www.indy100.com/article/michael-gove-jay-rayner-sarah-vine-7856676

[Udayana]

What's it going to take for people to realise this whole thing is going to be a complete disaster? It would be bad enough if our negotiators were competent.

Getting to autumn 2019 with no workable agreements?

[wigginhall]

The discussion about chlorinated chickens from the US is interesting, as at first, it seemed to focus on whether such food is safer or less safe than UK chickens or European ones.   It's not so much about the safety of chlorine, as what it is covering up, possible poor hygiene in raising them.

However, some bright spark in the EU observed that if the UK starts to import food which has less of a safety factor than EU regs would permit, the EU would be very concerned  to have a near neighbour doing this, and crucially, might start to vet UK exports  of food and animals, with greater severity.  This might involve veterinary inspections, borders checks, special inspection posts, and so on.  The situation in Ireland could be a logistical quicksand.

An example of unintended consequences maybe.  What a nightmare it all is.

[Nearly Sane]

Getting to autumn 2019 with no workable agreements?

That will just be the Eurofarts being slow and ponderous and obstructive  like they always are, and it will be bitterness at the freedom we will have the sunlit uplands of Great Brexiton. Agreements! Schmagreements! Agreements are for bevvied up bureaucrats boozing away the Euro gravy train while the Soros backed bankers revel in the swill of our money. The great white Anglo Saxon race doesn't need to be tied down with rules which will try to turn us all into mocha coloured muzzies maundering about Mecca. We built an empire on the back of a stiff upper lip, and keen sense of smelling a rat. Once freed from the mephitic miasmic mediocracy of the EU whore of Babylon, we will soar, soar, I tell you, like the eagles we are. Far above the petty worlds  of  agreements, compromises, and trade tariffs.

If we want to eat chicken washed in chlorine, or cocaine, or  carbolic acid, we shall, and it will taste of freedom!

[wigginhall]

Chicken curry with a dash of chlorine, quite palatable. 

[wigginhall]

If you enjoy pessimism, here is Richard North:

"There is thus a very simple equation here. If we want a trade deal that opens our market to the US, we can kiss goodbye to our poultry industry. The same goes for the egg industry, red meat and dairy products. Fruit and some vegetable growers would also be hit. And we also lose much of our export trade.

But it doesn't stop there. Not only do the ancillary, supporting industries go, the feed industry is badly damaged. Only about a third of the 15 million ton annual wheat harvest is used for milling (bread and biscuit-making). The bulk of the rest is soft wheat, sold for animal feed. There are few alternative uses, if you take away this arable production, you've made a sizeable dent in UK farming. In short, a US trade deal which opened up our industry to transatlantic competition would mean the end of UK farming as we know it. "

http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86551

[Nearly Sane]

Chicken curry with a dash of chlorine, quite palatable.

As noted elsewhere, chlorination chicken.

[Udayana]

That will just be the Eurofarts being slow and ponderous and obstructive  like they always are, and it will be bitterness at the freedom we will have the sunlit uplands of Great Brexiton. Agreements! Schmagreements! Agreements are for bevvied up bureaucrats boozing away the Euro gravy train while the Soros backed bankers revel in the swill of our money. The great white Anglo Saxon race doesn't need to be tied down with rules which will try to turn us all into mocha coloured muzzies maundering about Mecca. We built an empire on the back of a stiff upper lip, and keen sense of smelling a rat. Once freed from the mephitic miasmic mediocracy of the EU whore of Babylon, we will soar, soar, I tell you, like the eagles we are. Far above the petty worlds  of  agreements, compromises, and trade tariffs.

If we want to eat chicken washed in chlorine, or cocaine, or  carbolic acid, we shall, and it will taste of freedom!

Jack Knave might be ecstatic at such a call but I suspect the UK electorate will have had enough by then and long for the golden days of Euro-bureaucracy. 

[wigginhall]

Look on the bright side, if English agriculture is decimated by trade deals with countries that can produce cheaper produce, the English countryside will see a renaissance, as fields turn to wilderness,  and wildlife will thrive.   But hang on, maybe we could build on most of it - that would solve it!

[Udayana]

If you enjoy pessimism, here is Richard North:

"There is thus a very simple equation here. If we want a trade deal that opens our market to the US, we can kiss goodbye to our poultry industry. The same goes for the egg industry, red meat and dairy products. Fruit and some vegetable growers would also be hit. And we also lose much of our export trade.

But it doesn't stop there. Not only do the ancillary, supporting industries go, the feed industry is badly damaged. Only about a third of the 15 million ton annual wheat harvest is used for milling (bread and biscuit-making). The bulk of the rest is soft wheat, sold for animal feed. There are few alternative uses, if you take away this arable production, you've made a sizeable dent in UK farming. In short, a US trade deal which opened up our industry to transatlantic competition would mean the end of UK farming as we know it. "

http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86551

Quite. If we wanted free trade with the USA we would have been a lot better off in TTIP.

[Nearly Sane]

Seems a bit late?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/27/amber-rudd-asks-for-analysis-of-eu-migration-a-year-after-referendum?CMP=fb_gu

[Udayana]

The whole question boils down to "How much are people prepared to pay to reduce immigration from Europe?". So, it's about time they started working on some actual figures.

[wigginhall]

How poor are we prepared to be, in order to support Rees-Mogg's weird ideas.   What am  I bid?   

[Nearly Sane]

No indication here of any plan. No negotiations done, just a random date.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40747747

[ProfessorDavey]

No indication here of any plan. No negotiations done, just a random date.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40747747

And what people often fail to mention is that when we leave the EU we will not only lose the fantastic trade deal with the other EU countries, but we will also crash out of all the trade deals that the EU has negotiated with countries world-wide. I gather there are something like 60 in place, plus plenty of others well advanced in negotiation. This map starkly illustrates what we will lose - once we leave the EU everything will turn white:

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/eu-trade-map/

The EU already has deals with most of the world