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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #1000 on: October 27, 2017, 09:52:57 AM »
On Ship of Fools, there's a whole thread on 'mansplaining'!!  (Still not quite sure what they're talking about!)
Well, dearie. To put it another way, it's a bit like when you are washing the dishes and.............

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« Reply #1001 on: October 27, 2017, 10:04:02 AM »
Going off topic but I once had a date where the bloke mansplained what a painting of a tree was.

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« Reply #1002 on: October 27, 2017, 10:14:50 AM »
Going off topic but I once had a date where the bloke mansplained what a painting of a tree was.
Sounds like an arse. But then again, don't worry your pretty little head over it, sweetheart.
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« Reply #1003 on: October 27, 2017, 05:47:54 PM »
Well, dearie. To put it another way, it's a bit like when you are washing the dishes and.............

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« Reply #1004 on: October 27, 2017, 06:04:59 PM »
On Ship of Fools, there's a whole thread on 'mansplaining'!!  (Still not quite sure what they're talking about!)
Which I why I am somewhat sceptical about NS's so-called compliment - backhanded or otherwise.

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« Reply #1005 on: October 31, 2017, 04:09:20 PM »

Dear old Boris, so hard to separate the lies from just talking without thinking

http://www.scientistsforeu.uk/open_letter_boris_johnson_gene_therapy

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« Reply #1006 on: October 31, 2017, 04:14:39 PM »
Dear old Boris, so hard to separate the lies from just talking without thinking

http://www.scientistsforeu.uk/open_letter_boris_johnson_gene_therapy

When it comes to science, less international cooperation is always bad. I just assume that Boris Johnson is always lying now. It makes dealing with what he says so much easier.
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« Reply #1007 on: November 01, 2017, 10:50:32 AM »
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41829714

Hague thinks that another referendum would be hate filled. Perhaps he should have thought of that before his party organized the first one. That was hate filled enough.
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« Reply #1008 on: November 01, 2017, 12:43:55 PM »
I wonder, Trent, whether he may not be just concerning himself with hate within the Conservative Party? I have heard it suggested that we may not be far from the party tearing itself apart, with proportions leaving for UKIP and the SDP.

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« Reply #1009 on: November 01, 2017, 01:33:31 PM »
I wonder, Trent, whether he may not be just concerning himself with hate within the Conservative Party? I have heard it suggested that we may not be far from the party tearing itself apart, with proportions leaving for UKIP and the SDP.

SDP? Bit of a timeslip there!!
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« Reply #1010 on: November 01, 2017, 02:33:25 PM »
Well, many of the Tories are living in the past ....   :-[

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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #1011 on: November 05, 2017, 07:32:47 PM »
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« Reply #1012 on: November 06, 2017, 03:28:17 AM »
Another industry leaves the sinking ship.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41875853
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« Reply #1013 on: November 06, 2017, 09:55:31 AM »
Another industry leaves the sinking ship.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41875853
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #1015 on: November 06, 2017, 05:29:58 PM »
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« Reply #1016 on: November 12, 2017, 04:14:02 PM »
That ignores the wishes of the half of the population that wants to remain in the EU. A compromise needs to be found.

NO the vote was clear no compromise we exit full-stop.
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« Reply #1017 on: November 12, 2017, 10:36:25 PM »
NO the vote was clear no compromise we exit full-stop.

Sassy, the vote was not clear. 

In the first place, the Act which enabled the referendum stated that it was only advisory. It is possible (indeed, probable) that some voters may have voted in a particular way merely to send a political message. 

Secondly, the information provided for the electors was inadequate for the purpose - neither side presented cases which were adequate or sufficiently appropriate for a vote on a significant constitutional change. Apart from "intention" nobody had any real understanding of the consequences of the referendum nor of the policies and plans that would be needed to implement leaving nor of the consequences of such action.

Thirdly, 63% of the electorate did not support the proposal to leave the EU. The margin between those voting "leave" and those "stay" given the number of people not voting was too small to indicate a clear decision. The referendum is not a normal method of political decision making in the UK - this one was shambolic in its execution.

Fourthly. the primary purpose of the referendum was not to determine the UK's continued membership of the UK. It was being used by a weak prime minister solely for party management purposes.
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« Reply #1018 on: November 12, 2017, 11:11:58 PM »
NO the vote was clear no compromise we exit full-stop.

It was fairly clear here in Scotland.

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« Reply #1020 on: November 12, 2017, 11:29:49 PM »
I don’t agree that Cameron called the referendum simply to play to his party. I’ve linked before to how changes to parliamentary procedure were exploited by extreme Eurosceptics and he was forced to a place where he had little room for manoeuvre.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-parliaments-38402140

I’m assuming all Brexit voters will be kissing photos of the lovely Philip Hollobone in gratitude. I don’t think anyone illustrates what Brexit stands for better than he does.

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« Reply #1021 on: November 13, 2017, 06:34:09 AM »
NO the vote was clear no compromise we exit full-stop.

51/48 is clear ?  I wouldn't characterise that as a clear mandate to leave.  90/10, yes, 80/20, yes, 70/30, yes, but 51/48 was pretty much neck and neck; that kind of slim majority could easily evaporate or go the other way, just remember how the electorate changed in the last election decimating the Conservative majority. 

Major change should be mandated by a clear instruction from the electorate, not a wafer thin one that will likely evaporate over time as the predominantly leave voting elderly die and the young who are overwhelmingly remainers attain voting age.

Apart from all of which, a wise ruler should always seek to represent the wishes of the entire population, not just the largest faction, with minorities being ignored.  So in Brexit parlance, this might manifest as the softest possible Brexit as opposed to a hard Brexit.  Compromise is good, in principle, don't you think ?

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« Reply #1022 on: November 13, 2017, 07:53:49 AM »
I don’t agree that Cameron called the referendum simply to play to his party.

I didn't say that Cameron called a referendum to "play to his party".

He called the referendum to shut down the right wing, destabilising anti-EU cabal, to strengthen his hand. I think that it will be some time before a party leader uses a referendum for this purposes again ...
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