Brexit - the next steps

[Anchorman]

It seems bizarre if one chunk of the UK is in effect part of the single market (NI), but other parts are not, and therefore have a hard border with NI.   I suppose NI is a special case, but expect the Scots to come roaring in, saying, we are a special case as well.   The independence banners are being dusted off.

 



We have never put them away.

[Nearly Sane]

It seems bizarre if one chunk of the UK is in effect part of the single market (NI), but other parts are not, and therefore have a hard border with NI.   I suppose NI is a special case, but expect the Scots to come roaring in, saying, we are a special case as well.   The independence banners are being dusted off.

Latest poll figures in Scotland are 53/47 to stay in union and 68/32 to stay in Europe.

[Nearly Sane]

Struggling to see how the DUP could continue to support the govt if what is been indicated is correct. And certain of the Brexiteer Tories will surely struggle as well

[wigginhall]

Deal is off, DUP says no.

[Nearly Sane]

Call me a cynic but I suspect that's an extra billion off to NI to be spent in DUP constituencies.


Just to distract from a govt that is too weak to say no.

[ProfessorDavey]

Deal is off, DUP says no.

I'm now hearing rumours that deal is back on, on the basis that all of the UK will retain the same regulatory status as NI, and therefore as the EU. Effectively customs union/single market for the whole UK.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I guess that wraps it up for Brexit......or Theresa May.

[Gordon]

I'm now hearing rumours that deal is back on, on the basis that all of the UK will retain the same regulatory status as NI, and therefore as the EU. Effectively customs union/single market for the whole UK.

If so, and on this basis, the next few hours and days should be interesting: luckily I do have access to popcorn.

[Nearly Sane]

I'm now hearing rumours that deal is back on, on the basis that all of the UK will retain the same regulatory status as NI, and therefore as the EU. Effectively customs union/single market for the whole UK.

Can't see that working with the Tory Bexiteers

[Harrowby Hall]

Mrs May is so lucky ... her constituency practically adjoins the Chiltern Hundreds. She won't have far to travel ...

[wigginhall]

You'd think that somebody on the British team might have raised the point that a soft border just might be opposed by the DUP, and indeed, some of the Tory headbangers.   You'd think  that it would have occurred to May herself.   

[Nearly Sane]

You'd think that somebody on the British team might have raised the point that a soft border just might be opposed by the DUP, and indeed, some of the Tory headbangers.   You'd think  that it would have occurred to May herself.   

Hence my cynicism.

[Rhiannon]

Brexit and the countryside.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/04/new-zealand-britain-countryside-michael-gove-brexit

Of course there will be another option available to farmers that will be tempting post Brexit in an age without subsidies: sell the land for development. And the most profitable land will be in the South East, and in the East Anglian arable heartlands that James Lovelock says we need to preserve unless we are going to starve.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Hence my cynicism.

Any chance of Scotland now really getting rid of the Tories instead of just hiding them away for a bit with tea and tunnocks

[Nearly Sane]

Any chance of Scotland now really getting rid of the Tories instead of just hiding them away for a bit with tea and tunnocks

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Scotland has no business critiquing Northern Ireland because it could be argued that the Tory revival in Scotland is equally responsible for this Frankenstein monster of a government.

[Nearly Sane]

Scotland has no business critiquing Northern Ireland because it could be argued that the Tory revival in Scotland is equally responsible for this Frankenstein monster of a government.

Scotland, last time I looked, isn't a member of this forum.

[ProfessorDavey]

Can't see that working with the Tory Bexiteers

May really is between a rock and a hard place - and that's just with her 'friends'.

The only way to achieve what is acceptable to the DUP is for their to be sufficient regulatory alignment with the republic to prevent a hard border, but with that same agreement UK wide. The only way to achieve this is effectively to remain in the customs union, or something which is effectively identical.

But that is unacceptable to the hard brexit rump in the Tories.

[Harrowby Hall]

Scotland has no business critiquing Northern Ireland ...

Do you mean criticising?

In so far as it means anything, the ugly American word you used means "writing a critical essay about" ...

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Do you mean criticising?

In so far as it means anything, the ugly American word you used means "writing a critical essay about" ...

Are you critiquing me?

[jeremyp]

Can't see that working with the Tory Bexiteers

As far as I can see, their choices are

a) suck it up

b) break up the UK

c) face a general election

They should probably go for option c, because it's likely that afterwards, they won't have to worry about it anymore.

[Harrowby Hall]

Are you critiquing me?

Can you see an academic essay? No, I'm appealing to your better nature.   

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Scotland, last time I looked, isn't a member of this forum.

I seem to recall a deal of crowing on this form concerning the removal of all bar one Tory MP from Scotland prior to the 2017 election.

[Anchorman]

I did not crow.
I expressed my regret that one Tory - Mundell the incompetant - was voted in. tHAT WAS ONE tORY TOO MANY.

[ippy]

I'm been so worried that Kinock an his Mrs might not get their pensions from the E U any more once we leave, can anyone put my mind to rest over this one.

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