Brexit - the next steps

[wigginhall]

It's also interesting that as immigration has reached high levels, unemployment has reached low levels, in fact, the lowest for 42 years.  Not being an economist, I don't really understand how those two figures relate to each other, but low unemployment does produce labour shortages, which tend to be filled by immigrants in some sectors, such as health, catering and agriculture.       

[ippy]

Well the fucker Farage is making sure he's getting his - so you really haven't got a point.

I do have a point the point I made and continue to make is: I've been so worried that Kinock an his Mrs might not get their pensions from the E U any more once we leave, can anyone put my mind to rest over this one.

Trent, if you wish to have a rant about Farage be my guest, I can't say I'm bothered either way about him.

Regards ippy

[wigginhall]

Impact analysis, what impact analysis?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-42249854

I am now officially extremely concerned for the future of my country.

I think the govt are in a delusional bubble, and cannot alter their stance.   The DUP fiasco, now the lack of impact assessments, show a group of people who are not in control, but who will carry on regardless.   There is opposition in the Commons, but I wonder if a lot of people  just feel demoralized by it all?   It's a very weird time.   Some people seem to suspect that the govt are prepared to bore people into a state of anaesthesia, but then what?   

[jakswan]

Again, this has nothing to do with the interim leaser of Sinn Fein's pronouncement this morning.

Its segway to a question, why obfuscate?

[jakswan]

Impact analysis, what impact analysis?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-42249854

I am now officially extremely concerned for the future of my country.

Agree the Govt is a mess, meanwhile Labours position on the single market / customs union is <flip coin here>.

[Aruntraveller]

I do have a point the point I made and continue to make is: I've been so worried that Kinock an his Mrs might not get their pensions from the E U any more once we leave, can anyone put my mind to rest over this one.

Trent, if you wish to have a rant about Farage be my guest, I can't say I'm bothered either way about him.

Regards ippy

So your post is in no way a sarcastic jibe?

Also you appear to not be able to spot hypocrisy when it is stamping all over your face and also laughing at your sheer gullibility. Well done.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Davis proving that now you can get away with anything.

[Anchorman]

Its segway to a question, why obfuscate?

Eh?
I raised the question of SF's reaction in order to get opinions.
I hadn't intended to mention the Scottish government's stance - but, hey, if you wish...
If NI gets even one concession denied Scotland, which also - sensibly - voted to remain - then the Scottish government is entitled to question every dot, comma and  other punctuation mark, and put every spanner in the already shambolic works of the burach Westminster has created in order to ensure Scotland gets the same privilege NI gets.

[ippy]

So your post is in no way a sarcastic jibe?

Also you appear to not be able to spot hypocrisy when it is stamping all over your face and also laughing at your sheer gullibility. Well done.

Trent, I'm quite happy with my decision about the E U, I don't see it the same way as you do and I'm also quite happy to not want to argue with anyone about it, I rather obviously don't see the E U in the same way as you, we probably see each other as gullible, but like I said I'm not looking for an argument, little bit of a gloat because my side won, yes.

I didn't put my post on to this thread I was answering someone else on another thread and the next thing I know my post ended up here on this thread, had I wanted to argue the point I would have joined this discussion, on this thread voluntarily.

Regards ippy

[Nearly Sane]

Trent, I'm quite happy with my decision about the E U, I don't see it the same way as you do and I'm also quite happy to not want to argue with anyone about it, I rather obviously don't see the E U in the same way as you, we probably see each other as gullible, but like I said I'm not looking for an argument, little bit of a gloat because my side won, yes.

I didn't put my post on to this thread I was answering someone else on another thread and the next thing I know my post ended up here on this thread, had I wanted to argue the point I would have joined this discussion, on this thread voluntarily.

Regards ippy

Your post about Kinnock and his wife was posted onto this thread. It wasn't moved.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Trent, I'm quite happy with my decision about the E U, I don't see it the same way as you do and I'm also quite happy to not want to argue with anyone about it, I rather obviously don't see the E U in the same way as you, we probably see each other as gullible, but like I said I'm not looking for an argument, little bit of a gloat because my side won, yes.

I didn't put my post on to this thread I was answering someone else on another thread and the next thing I know my post ended up here on this thread, had I wanted to argue the point I would have joined this discussion, on this thread voluntarily.

Regards ippy

I think Davis has provided all we need to know about the impact of Brexit. Describing your side as having 'won' can now no longer be met with anything but derision.

[wigginhall]

Come, come, we know now that regulatory alignment is the order of the day.    This means whatever you want it to mean, which is very flexible.   It doesn't just apply to N. Ireland but the whole of the UK.  And it means non-divergence, but not harmonization.  And it will be decided upon by a non-directive non-committee of nincompoops.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I think people will try to ignore Brexit for as long as poss.

[jeremyp]

I do have a point the point I made and continue to make is: I've been so worried that Kinock an his Mrs might not get their pensions from the E U any more once we leave, can anyone put my mind to rest over this one.

Trent, if you wish to have a rant about Farage be my guest, I can't say I'm bothered either way about him.

Regards ippy

Farage is still drawing a salary and expenses from the EU because he is an MEP. He's hypocrisy on a stick.

[Udayana]

Come, come, we know now that regulatory alignment is the order of the day.    This means whatever you want it to mean, which is very flexible.   It doesn't just apply to N. Ireland but the whole of the UK.  And it means non-divergence, but not harmonization.  And it will be decided upon by a non-directive non-committee of nincompoops.

They need to go for it, or just call the whole thing off.

[Nearly Sane]

They need to go for it, or just call the whole thing off.

Be good to know what 'it' is.

[Udayana]

Be good to know what 'it' is.

Some form of words that everyone can agree to, then decide what it means later.

[wigginhall]

Yes, didn't Hammond say that the Cabinet haven't yet decided on the outcome of negotiations that they prefer?   Oh well, let us know.

[wigginhall]

Some form of words that everyone can agree to, then decide what it means later.

It's difficult, because the Tory party includes hard Brexiteers, who want a no-deal, and also soft Brexit people, who would like to stay in single market.   I suppose they are looking for a form  of words which satisfies all of them, e.g. 'regulatory alignment'.

[Udayana]

Your post about Kinnock and his wife was posted onto this thread. It wasn't moved.

Must be forum fairies.

Ippy is right to be worried as, if they don't have enough funding, they will burn up his and the rest of ours.

[jeremyp]

Some form of words that everyone can agree to, then decide what it means later.

I think we are fast coming to the realisation that there is no form of words that everybody can agree on. It looks like there isn't even a form of words that the Brexiteers can agree on.

[wigginhall]

I think they are trying to use ambiguity, which can be interpreted differently by different groups.   Hence, 'regulatory alignment' has been used, to mean that N. Ireland would keep many EU regulations, but then today Davis seemed to be saying that the whole of the UK would also.   This set off the headbangers, who want a pure UK, unadulterated by foreign muck.

[jeremyp]

I think they are trying to use ambiguity, which can be interpreted differently by different groups.

Yeah, that's not going to work. You're just deferring the problems until later, when it'll probably be even harder to fix them.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Yeah, that's not going to work. You're just deferring the problems until later, when it'll probably be even harder to fix them.

I agree running a government in the manner of three silver cups and a pea under one has got to come unstuck sooner or later.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Report in Guardian.

DUP referred earlier to an impact statement of Brexit on the Republic of Ireland.