Brexit - the next steps

[jakswan]

Because I am not british,

Factually incorrect.

have absolutely no  loyalty to britain,

Whatever.

regard Westminster as an anachronistic absurdity,

So why isn't the EU an 'anachronistic absurdity'?

and wish my nation to take her place amongst other nations in a union of free nation states, rather than part of a moribund, failed political anachronism still dreaming of a greatness that was only ever imagination/.

Are you describing the Eu or UK here?

Because I am not british, have no loyalty to britawin, regard Westmibnster aas an anachronistic absur

But to the EU, loyalty, you seemed to have evaded the question again:-

Why are you in favour of the European Union but against the UK Union?

Also worth bearing in mind if we get to stage 2, then Scottish independence is done for 20 years.

[jeremyp]

It would be unwise to remain in a UK where the DUP, John Redwood and Jacob Rees Mogg call the shots.

The way things are going I can't see that being true for much longer.

[jeremyp]

Either David Davis was lying in October when he said the government had done impact assessments, or the government did the assessments and they were so toxic that Davis thinks it is preferable to look like an incompetent lying buffoon than admit that they exist.

Any Brexiteer here want to take a guess on which of the two options is true?

[jakswan]

Phase 2 then.

[ProfessorDavey]

Phase 2 then.

Single market and customs union in all but name. Farage and hard brexiteers livid.

[floo]

I see May appears to have sorted out the Irish border dispute.

[ProfessorDavey]

I see May appears to have sorted out the Irish border dispute.

By agreeing to the whole of the effectively remaining in single market/customs union as the default solution.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Carry on Brexit

Nigel Farage     Jim Dale
Theresa May     Patsy Rowlands
David Davis      Sid James
Anna Soubry     Barbara Windsor
Michel Barnier   Louis Jourdan
Mrs Merkel        Joan Sims
Aron Banks       Herbert Lom
Boris Johnson   Bernard Bresslaw
Jacob Rees Nookie  Kenneth Williams
Liam Fox   Chick Murray
Jeremy Corbin   Wilfred Brambell
Arlene Foster    Hattie Jacques

[Harrowby Hall]

No, Vlad, Theresa May should be played by Barbara Windsor (saying "thank you" for her dameship). Who else would be able to satisfactorily recreate the visit to Donald Trump in Washington?

I'm a bit stuck with Trump, though. Brian Blessed in a wig?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I'm a bit stuck with Trump, though. Brian Blessed in a wig?

In the sixties it would have to be Phil Silvers, Lionel Merton or Shane Rimmer.

[Udayana]

By agreeing to the whole of the effectively remaining in single market/customs union as the default solution.

.. at least until after Xmas.

[Rhiannon]

No, Vlad, Theresa May should be played by Barbara Windsor (saying "thank you" for her dameship). Who else would be able to satisfactorily recreate the visit to Donald Trump in Washington?

I'm a bit stuck with Trump, though. Brian Blessed in a wig?

Leave the blessed Brian out of this.

I think the perfect casting is Ricky Gervais.

[Nearly Sane]

Leave the blessed Brian out of this.

I think the perfect casting is Ricky Gervais.

That made me laugh but surely the correct answer here is Alec Baldwin


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfVobgfXE34

[Nearly Sane]

I will take this as good news. Some Brexiteers may disagree.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42277040

[ProfessorDavey]

I will take this as good news. Some Brexiteers may disagree.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42277040

De facto continued membership of the internal market and customs union it is then, as this is the default and will only not happen through agreement on an alternative - and that agreement must be bilateral, i.e. both the UK and EU. So in effect it is no longer our decision as to whether we in effect remain in the internal market and customs union, it is the EUs - if they don't agree to an alternative, then in them we remain.

[Harrowby Hall]

We are pretty well back to where we were.  Nigel Farage is dusting-off his megaphone ...

[Walt Zingmatilder]

We are pretty well back to where we were.  Nigel Farage is dusting-off his megaphone ...

But this time we know that he either never had a plan or he did it and it was one that couldn't be shared ( Davis showed us that ) for fear of losing support.
We now know he weaved a fantasy in which to spin a tale of cocky brits being insubordinate to SS captors.

[wigginhall]

In some ways it kicks the can down the road, but I guess soft Brexiteers will heave a sigh of relief, as the chances of hard Brexit are diminishing rapidly, barring a coup d'etat in the Tory party.

Interesting article in the Irish Times, where he says that N. Ireland has been a Trojan horse - since with no hard border, Belfast  will follow the same trade regs as Dublin, and London will follow Belfast.   Hmm, well, it's an interesting view, and I guess that the Irish are celebrating this morning. 

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-ireland-has-just-saved-the-uk-from-the-madness-of-a-hard-brexit-1.3320096

[ProfessorDavey]

In some ways it kicks the can down the road, but I guess soft Brexiteers will heave a sigh of relief, as the chances of hard Brexit are diminishing rapidly, barring a coup d'etat in the Tory party.

Interesting article in the Irish Times, where he says that N. Ireland has been a Trojan horse - since with no hard border, Belfast  will follow the same trade regs as Dublin, and London will follow Belfast.   Hmm, well, it's an interesting view, and I guess that the Irish are celebrating this morning. 

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-ireland-has-just-saved-the-uk-from-the-madness-of-a-hard-brexit-1.3320096

Which is exactly what sections 49 and 50 of the agreement boil down to. And of course Dublin follows the EU regs.

The only way this will now change is via an 'agreed solution' - agreed being by both the UK and EU, so effectively we remain de facto in internal market and customs union unless the EU decide otherwise.

[Bramble]

so effectively we remain de facto in internal market and customs union unless the EU decide otherwise.

With what implications for the free movement of people, I wonder?

[Nearly Sane]

With what implications for the free movement of people, I wonder?

(A) good to see you posting, you are a favourite, and (b) if there is free movement between the Republic and the EU and free movement in the sense of a frictionless border between the Republic and Norn Irn, and there is no differentiation between NI and rUK then presumably free movement?

[Bramble]

Thanks for your kind words 

If the UK loses any hope of restricting EU immigration and we remain bound by EU regulations then it's difficult to see what Brexiters can salvage from the negotiations so far. One might almost conclude that staying in the EU would be the rational option at this point. Little hope of that then.

[Nearly Sane]

Thanks for your kind words 

If the UK loses any hope of restricting EU immigration and we remain bound by EU regulations then it's difficult to see what Brexiters can salvage from the negotiations so far. One might almost conclude that staying in the EU would be the rational option at this point. Little hope of that then.

The UK always had the choice to limit immigration. Some politicians just chose to lie about that. And to not make a real argument about why it is bad. To be fair too many politicians didn't make the case of why having people wanting to come here and contribute to your society is a great thing.

[jakswan]

Single market and customs union in all but name. Farage and hard brexiteers livid.

Yes two things to be happy about!

[ProfessorDavey]

Yes two things to be happy about!

How long before Farage and the Kippers start demanding a referendum on the deal.