Brexit - the next steps

[jakswan]

I wish the Brexiteers would concentrate on sorting out Brexit rather than whine about trivialities.

I wish some remainers would concentrate on helping to sort out Brexit rather than whine about losing.

[Udayana]

I wish some remainers would concentrate on helping to sort out Brexit rather than whine about losing.

What do you want them to do exactly?

[Nearly Sane]

Of course, a single market might have been achievable if Labour wanted that.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42346192

[ProfessorDavey]

Of course, a single market might have been achievable if Labour wanted that.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42346192

It may still be, given that last week's agreement between the UK and EU is entirely consistent with the UK remaining in the single market (or some fudge which in effect delivers exactly the same).

[Aruntraveller]

I wonder what other posters think of the Daily Mail's attempts to cow the members of the Conservative party who dared to vote against the government.

It seems that parliamentary sovereignty can only be invoked when it works in favour of one particular ideology.

[floo]

By the sound of it the Tory sceptics are going to rebel whenever May displeases them!

[Aruntraveller]

By the sound of it the Tory sceptics are going to rebel whenever May displeases them!

As is their right. What worries me is the way the Mail highlight and demonize the rebels and make them targets.

Have they forgotten Jo Cox so easily?

[Harrowby Hall]

I wonder what other posters think of the Daily Mail's attempts to cow the members of the Conservative party who dared to vote against the government.

It seems that parliamentary sovereignty can only be invoked when it works in favour of one particular ideology.

Little changes.

Stanley Baldwin, in 1931:

The newspapers attacking me are not newspapers in the ordinary sense.They are engines of propaganda for the constantly changing policies, desires, personal vices, personal likes and dislikes of the two men. What are their methods? Their methods are direct falsehoods, misrepresentation, half-truths, the alteration of the speaker's meaning by publishing a sentence apart from the context...What the proprietorship of these papers is aiming at is power, and power without responsibility – the prerogative of the harlot throughout the ages.

Apparently, the epithet originated with Rudyard Kipling, who was Baldwin's cousin.

[Nearly Sane]

As is their right. What worries me is the way the Mail highlight and demonize the rebels and make them targets.

Have they forgotten Jo Cox so easily?

Indeed, and it's worth remembering that the vote was merely to enshrine the vote on the deal - which the govt said they were going to offer anyway. It's not a vote stopping Brexit but the Mail indulges in hyperbole as is their method 

[jakswan]

As is their right. What worries me is the way the Mail highlight and demonize the rebels and make them targets.

Have they forgotten Jo Cox so easily?

Mr. Pot Mr. Kettle is saying nasty things about you.

Kudos to the rebels sticking by their principles, the Mail is a feeble excuse for Newspaper but fear the day comrade Trent is able to tell them what they can print.

[Nearly Sane]

Mr. Pot Mr. Kettle is saying nasty things about you.

Kudos to the rebels sticking by their principles, the Mail is a feeble excuse for Newspaper but fear the day comrade Trent is able to tell them what they can print.

No, he's able to complain about it. Don't know why you felt the need to try a misrepresentation here

[Aruntraveller]

Mr. Pot Mr. Kettle is saying nasty things about you.

Kudos to the rebels sticking by their principles, the Mail is a feeble excuse for Newspaper but fear the day comrade Trent is able to tell them what they can print.

In reply to your post of bollocks I would refer you to HH's post above - power without responsibility.

I'm not telling them what to print, and in fact I'd like you to point to a post where I even implied that, and if you can't I'd like you to retract your statement.

Anyway, to run a front page in exactly the same style they use for terrorists and paedophiles seems to me to be highly irresponsible. You apparently disagree. Quelle surprise.

[jakswan]

Jeez mellow out a little?

In reply to your post of bollocks I would refer you to HH's post above - power without responsibility.

You don't demonise politicians?

I do particularly Trump but feel quite guilty about it and feel uncomfortable when having a go at others when they do it.

I'm not telling them what to print, and in fact I'd like you to point to a post where I even implied that, and if you can't I'd like you to retract your statement.

No retraction from me comrade, it was hypothetical light musing.

 
Anyway, to run a front page in exactly the same style they use for terrorists and paedophiles seems to me to be highly irresponsible. You apparently disagree. Quelle surprise.

Not sure I would disagree actually, I would celebrate demonising Trump though which makes me something of a hypocrite. Gah, hoisted by me own petard.

[Aruntraveller]

and feel uncomfortable when having a go at others when they do it.

Clearly not uncomfortable enough

[jakswan]

No, he's able to complain about it. Don't know why you felt the need to try a misrepresentation here

Are you Mr. Pot or Mr. Kettle?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xGt3QmRSZY

[Anchorman]

As is their right. What worries me is the way the Mail highlight and demonize the rebels and make them targets.

Have they forgotten Jo Cox so easily?

Never mind the late, lamented Jo Cox - whom some would trivialise as as a mark  of their disregard - have they forgotten the supreme Tory rebel to end all supreme Tory rebels - a certain W.L.S. Churchill?

[Aruntraveller]

You don't demonise politicians?

I do particularly Trump

Hmmm.....that raises an interesting point as I am not sure you can demonize Trump as he  has already done the work for you.

[Nearly Sane]

Are you Mr. Pot or Mr. Kettle?

what has anything I've posted got to do with your misrepresentation of trent?

[jeremyp]

I wish some remainers would concentrate on helping to sort out Brexit rather than whine about losing.

We are. We are trying to stop it from happening. That's the most constructive outcome.

[jakswan]

what has anything I've posted got to do with your misrepresentation of trent?

You wrongly accused me of misrepresentation, I quoted you citing a video that misrepresents.

[Nearly Sane]

You wrongly accused me of misrepresentation, I quoted you citing a video that misrepresents.

What has any of  that got to do with you misrepresenting Trentvoyager?

[jakswan]

What has any of  that got to do with you misrepresenting Trentvoyager?

That I don't waste much time being accused of being dishonest by someone who has been shown to be dishonest.

[Nearly Sane]

That I don't waste much time being accused of being dishonest by someone who has been shown to be dishonest.

Ah the tu quoque fallacy.

[jakswan]

Ah the tu quoque fallacy.

No, I'm not arguing that your opinion is wrong just stating I don't care about your opinion.

[Nearly Sane]

No, I'm not arguing that your opinion is wrong just stating I don't care about your opinion.

Except that isn't what you have been stating here. Rather you were suggesting that it was ok to misrepresent Trentvoyager because you think I have misrepresented people
 In that sense you are right, it isn't even as wrong as a tu quoque. It's just nonsense.