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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #1375 on: December 20, 2017, 02:17:57 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on December 18, 2017, 06:30:35 PM
If anybody does, I want to expect, and would actively encourage, violence in every street in the realm.
Why? It's clear that the majority of people no longer want Brexit. The democratic decision would be to stop it.

Another nail in the coffin: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42424700

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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #1376 on: December 20, 2017, 02:32:11 PM »
Quote from: jeremyp on December 20, 2017, 02:17:57 PM
Why? It's clear that the majority of people no longer want Brexit. The democratic decision would be to stop it.
On the basis of one opinion poll? Seriously? Knowing you, you probably are.
« Last Edit: December 20, 2017, 03:33:53 PM by Shaker »
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #1377 on: December 20, 2017, 05:09:40 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on December 20, 2017, 02:32:11 PM
On the basis of one opinion poll? Seriously? Knowing you, you probably are.
Nope - on the basis of many polls over the past few months - for about a years there was virtually no change in the polling - with tiny Leave majority (as per the actual referendum) but over the past 4-5 months there has been a progressive shift in opinion against Leave and in favour of Remain. One poll can be dismissed, as it may be an outlier - a series of polls asking the same question every couple of weeks that show a progressive shift in opinion cannot be dismissed.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #1378 on: December 20, 2017, 05:18:03 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on December 20, 2017, 02:32:11 PM
On the basis of one opinion poll? Seriously? Knowing you, you probably are.
I note too that you have still failed to clarify your earlier comment:

'If anybody does, I want to expect, and would actively encourage, violence in every street in the realm.'

Please would you do so - on what basis are you advocating violence - I trust it wouldn't be if the government and democratically elected parliament chose to do something that was constitutionally and legally justified.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #1379 on: December 20, 2017, 07:19:33 PM »
If this forum were Facebook or Twitter, a statement such as the one Shaker has made would possibly attract the attention of some government agency. For all we know, GCHQ may already have noted its presence.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #1380 on: December 20, 2017, 07:46:50 PM »
It'll give them something to do at Christmas ::)
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #1381 on: December 20, 2017, 07:48:02 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on December 20, 2017, 07:46:50 PM
It'll give them something to do at Christmas ::)
Still no response to questions about you calling for violence on the streets I note.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #1382 on: December 20, 2017, 07:48:28 PM »
No.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #1383 on: December 20, 2017, 07:48:47 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on December 18, 2017, 06:30:35 PM
They won't.

If anybody does, I want to expect, and would actively encourage, violence in every street in the realm.
And here we can observe, in its natural habitat, the lesser spotted maladapted moron caling for a 'day of rage' when something happens he doesn't like. The British police could stock up on rubber bullets and live ammunition I suppose in case any protesting children start throwing stones.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #1384 on: December 20, 2017, 07:49:14 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on December 20, 2017, 07:48:28 PM
No.
Who is this single word in response to?
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #1385 on: December 20, 2017, 07:51:36 PM »
Quote from: Gabriella on December 20, 2017, 07:48:47 PM
And here we can observe, in its natural habitat, the lesser spotted maladapted moron caling for a 'day of rage' when something happens he doesn't like. The British police could stock up on rubber bullets and live ammunition I suppose in case any protesting children start throwing stones.
And grossly irresponsible given that we have already had one MP murdered for their pro-remain views and others receiving regular death threats.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #1386 on: December 20, 2017, 07:56:17 PM »
Quote from: ProfessorDavey on December 20, 2017, 07:49:14 PM
Who is this single word in response to?
You.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #1387 on: December 20, 2017, 07:59:39 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on December 20, 2017, 07:56:17 PM
You.
So you don't believe that you should justify your appalling comment calling for violence.

Disgraceful comment and rank cowardice in refusing to try to justify or explain your comment when called out on it.

Pathetic.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #1388 on: December 20, 2017, 08:02:33 PM »
Quote from: ProfessorDavey on December 20, 2017, 07:59:39 PM
So you don't believe that you should justify your appalling comment calling for violence.

Disgraceful comment and rank cowardice in refusing to try to justify or explain your comment when called out on it.

Pathetic.
No, I'll follow my standard practice of commenting as, when and if I damned well please and not outside of that.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #1389 on: December 20, 2017, 08:10:46 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on December 20, 2017, 08:02:33 PM
No, I'll follow my standard practice of commenting as, when and if I damned well please and not outside of that.
Up to you - but that doesn't stop you being a coward.

If you aren't prepared to defend or justify your views posted here then perhaps you shouldn't make them in the first place.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #1390 on: December 20, 2017, 08:17:09 PM »
As I was saying but moments ago ...
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #1391 on: December 20, 2017, 08:19:18 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on December 20, 2017, 08:17:09 PM
As I was saying but moments ago ...
Indeed you were, just as I was discussing you clear cowardice.

I cannot make you discuss this but while you refuse you will remain a coward, and only you are able to change that. That you refuse to speaks volumes about you I'm afraid.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #1392 on: December 20, 2017, 08:21:47 PM »
Not my problem. It's clearly yours, though.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #1393 on: December 21, 2017, 01:33:41 AM »
Quote from: Shaker on December 20, 2017, 02:32:11 PM
On the basis of one opinion poll? Seriously? Knowing you, you probably are.
How many opinion polls do we need before you'll accept the point?

Obviously, sentiment could swing back the other way, but say, hypothetically, the polls showed a consistent 10 or 15 point lead for Remain over six months, wouldn't you begin to get uncomfortable about the validity of the referendum as  being representative of the people's view over that six month period?
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #1394 on: December 21, 2017, 07:37:26 AM »
Quote from: jeremyp on December 21, 2017, 01:33:41 AM
How many opinion polls do we need before you'll accept the point?

Obviously, sentiment could swing back the other way, but say, hypothetically, the polls showed a consistent 10 or 15 point lead for Remain over six months, wouldn't you begin to get uncomfortable about the validity of the referendum as  being representative of the people's view over that six month period?
Given that final Brexit deal wont be implemented until 2021, at least 5 years after the referendum the majority will have vanished without a single person chaining their mind. The reason - lots of elderly people will have died by then and a whole new cohort of young people will have attained voting age.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #1395 on: December 21, 2017, 08:05:48 AM »
Quote from: ProfessorDavey on December 21, 2017, 07:37:26 AM
Given that final Brexit deal wont be implemented until 2021, at least 5 years after the referendum the majority will have vanished without a single person chaining their mind. The reason - lots of elderly people will have died by then and a whole new cohort of young people will have attained voting age.

Polls change for all sorts of reasons, as I recall a few years back Leave was ahead.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #1396 on: December 21, 2017, 08:11:27 AM »
Quote from: jeremyp on December 21, 2017, 01:33:41 AM
How many opinion polls do we need before you'll accept the point?

Obviously, sentiment could swing back the other way, but say, hypothetically, the polls showed a consistent 10 or 15 point lead for Remain over six months, wouldn't you begin to get uncomfortable about the validity of the referendum as  being representative of the people's view over that six month period?

Are you advocating we change policy every six months based on opinion poll?
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #1397 on: December 21, 2017, 03:12:00 PM »
Quote from: jakswan on December 21, 2017, 08:11:27 AM
Are you advocating we change policy every six months based on opinion poll?
Looks like it.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #1398 on: December 21, 2017, 04:40:12 PM »
Brexit- makes people have all kinds of mad ideas.
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