Brexit - the next steps

[Walt Zingmatilder]

IDS is a backstabbing traitorous shit.

I take exception to this.......he is not a shit he is a cockwomble.

[Harrowby Hall]

Why does IDS bring up appeasement at all if he is not drawing a parallel between supporting Remain and appeasement?

IDS is a backstabbing traitorous shit.

I strongly object to this. This is grossly insulting to backstabbing traitorous shits.

[jakswan]

Why does IDS bring up appeasement at all if he is not drawing a parallel between supporting Remain and appeasement?

I'm not explaining it again.

IDS is a backstabbing traitorous shit. This is exactly the kind of article I would expect him to write. He can't articulate a good reason in favour of his position so he libels his opponents.

In claiming that he has libeled you yourself have committed libel.

[jeremyp]

I'm not explaining it again.

Please point out where you explained it the first time. And don't point to any of your lawyer-speak posts. This isn't a court of law.

In claiming that he has libeled you yourself have committed libel.

He published a view that I am like the appeasers of Hitler. That is defamation. It might not stand up in a court of law since he didn't mention me by name, but we all know what he was doing and this isn't a court of law.

I know you wrote what you wrote with your tongue in your cheek but there is a serious point: some Brexiteers are trying to invent a narrative in which people who disagree with them are somehow unpatriotic appeasers of Johnny Foreigner.

[jakswan]

Please point out where you explained it the first time. And don't point to any of your lawyer-speak posts. This isn't a court of law.

You replied to the post that explained it. Have no idea what lawyer speak is.

He published a view that I am like the appeasers of Hitler. That is defamation. It might not stand up in a court of law since he didn't mention me by name, but we all know what he was doing and this isn't a court of law.

Only in that he thinks you are wrong on your view of Brexit. I like dogs, Hitler liked dogs that does not mean everyone who likes dogs is like Hitler. If you report that I did mean that then you are misrepresenting me (lying).

As I recall he didn't claim that everyone who is against Brexit would favour appeasement anyway.

I know you wrote what you wrote with your tongue in your cheek but there is a serious point: some Brexiteers are trying to invent a narrative in which people who disagree with them are somehow unpatriotic appeasers of Johnny Foreigner.

I think your knee must be sore you jerked it so hard.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Does anyone know if Rees Mogg has found the support and cojones to stand for prime minister yet?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Does anyone know if Rees Mogg has found the support and cojones to stand for prime minister yet?

Update
Poll for next leader of the Conservative Party

Rees Mogg               21%
Boris Johnson          16%
Gove                       14%
Sooty                      Only joking.

[floo]

Update
Poll for next leader of the Conservative Party

Rees Mogg               21%
Boris Johnson          16%
Gove                       14%
Sooty                      Only joking.

Sooty definitely,  the other three would wreck the country! Gove made a mess of the education system.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Sooty definitely,  the other three would wreck the country! Gove made a mess of the education system.

Probably agree. At least with Sooty you know Harry Corbett is operating him and you know how.
With Gove and Boris you never know who's operating who.

[floo]

Probably agree. At least with Sooty you know Harry Corbett is operating him and you know how.
With Gove and Boris you never know who's operating who.

A robot with a hand up their rear ends!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

A robot with a hand up their rear ends!

You got it!

[jeremyp]

I like dogs, Hitler liked dogs that does not mean everyone who likes dogs is like Hitler.

If I posted an article saying "Jakswan likes dogs just like Hitler did" you don't think that is me drawing a derogatory parallel between you and Hitler?

[jakswan]

If I posted an article saying "Jakswan likes dogs just like Hitler did" you don't think that is me drawing a derogatory parallel between you and Hitler?

Not if it was in the context in a debate over if cats were better than dogs no.

I'm not sure that analogy works either since Hitler didn't support appeasement as such.

[Nearly Sane]

Mmm


http://uk.businessinsider.com/theresa-may-nhs-brexit-free-trade-deal-donald-trump-2018-2?r=US&IR=T

[Nearly Sane]

Not if it was in the context in a debate over if cats were better than dogs no.

I'm not sure that analogy works either since Hitler didn't support appeasement as such.

And what relevance would it have in the debate other than to say people who are like dogs are like Hitler, just as IDS drew the equivalence opposing Brexit is like appeasement?

[Rhiannon]

Mmm


http://uk.businessinsider.com/theresa-may-nhs-brexit-free-trade-deal-donald-trump-2018-2?r=US&IR=T

Fuck.

[jeremyp]

And the results are in...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42977967

It’s pretty grim, i’m sorry to say.

[jakswan]

And what relevance would it have in the debate other than to say people who are like dogs are like Hitler,

If you made the statement everyone who likes dogs is good person.

just as IDS drew the equivalence opposing Brexit is like appeasement?

Since this is about the fourth time you have done this I think you are now wilfully misrepresenting IDS. Not repeating myself again.

[Nearly Sane]

If you made the statement everyone who likes dogs is good person.

Since this is about the fourth time you have done this I think you are now wilfully misrepresenting IDS. Not repeating myself again.

  What on earth has your first sentence got to do with anything?

Disagreeing  with you is not misrepresenting IDS - and repetition wold be pointless because you haven't actually made any argument.


What purpose do you think IDS was trying to achieve by mentioning appeasement?

[jakswan]

  What on earth has your first sentence got to do with anything?

Disagreeing  with you is not misrepresenting IDS - and repetition wold be pointless because you haven't actually made any argument.

What purpose do you think IDS was trying to achieve by mentioning appeasement?

On Jan 24th I wrote, you have not responded to this post.

No, IDS says the CBI gets the big decisions wrong, e.g. on appeasement, not that pro-remain is appeasement, which is what you reported.

That you disagree makes you wrong.

It is misrepresentation to report that IDS claims pro-remain is appeasement.

Comparing something does not mean you think its the same, very simple concept, carry on being obtuse if you like but I'm done.

[jakswan]

And the results are in...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42977967

It’s pretty grim, i’m sorry to say.

Project fear 2.0.

[Nearly Sane]

On Jan 24th I wrote, you have not responded to this post.

It is misrepresentation to report that IDS claims pro-remain is appeasement.

Comparing something does not mean you think its the same, very simple concept, carry on being obtuse if you like but I'm done.

I didn't say that IDS said pro remain is appeasement rather that it is the equivalent of appeasement. It's bizarre to claim a track record with something that a different organisation said 80 years ago with the vast majority of people involved in a current decision not even being born. The only reason to do it is to draw the equivalence.

[Nearly Sane]

The article in the Telegraph is behind its paywall but this gives a flavour of it.


https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/02/nick-timothy-telegraph-george-soros-anti-semitic

[ProfessorDavey]

Project fear 2.0.

Given that what we have seen already is pretty well exactly what was predicted following a vote to leave then it is more project reality. What we are seeing now are the likely downturn in growth under various scenarios compared to what would have been achieved had we voted to remain. And we have already seen a significant slowing in growth in the UK since June 2016, while the global economy is booming. The vote (not even Brexit itself) has turned the UK from one of the fastest growing developed nations to one of the slowest growing.

All the predictions are turning into reality.

[floo]

Given that what we have seen already is pretty well exactly what was predicted following a vote to leave then it is more project reality. What we are seeing now are the likely downturn in growth under various scenarios compared to what would have been achieved had we voted to remain. And we have already seen a significant slowing in growth in the UK since June 2016, while the global economy is booming. The vote (not even Brexit itself) has turned the UK from one of the fastest growing developed nations to one of the slowest growing.

All the predictions are turning into reality.

That appears to be the case.