Brexit - the next steps

[Gordon]

Even an Irish Sea border seems likely - rather than the N. Ireland/Republic border - despite May having stated categorically that that will not happen.

Perhaps the Maybot has calculated that the DUP won't react badly and pull the plug on their cosy wee arrangement provided that Stormont remains mothballed, since this effectively removes Sinn Fein from devolved political governance in NI, especially since Sinn Fein don't use their Westminster seats (for now at least).

Or perhaps she is just useless and NI will be a problem no matter what. 

[Dicky Underpants]

Perhaps the Maybot has calculated that the DUP won't react badly and pull the plug on their cosy wee arrangement provided that Stormont remains mothballed, since this effectively removes Sinn Fein from devolved political governance in NI, especially since Sinn Fein don't use their Westminster seats (for now at least).

Or perhaps she is just useless and NI will be a problem no matter what.

I think your final sentiment is highly likely, though I have some sympathy with May's predicament, since she was landed with a situation with which she was not completely sympathetic in the first place. Arlene not reacting badly? I'm sure she wouldn't be averse to using that old threat (beloved of both the IRA and Loyalists) "We know where you live...."

[Nearly Sane]

I think your final sentiment is highly likely, though I have some sympathy with May's predicament, since she was landed with a situation with which she was not completely sympathetic in the first place. Arlene not reacting badly? I'm sure she wouldn't be averse to using that old threat (beloved of both the IRA and Loyalists) "We know where you live...."

Disagree, anything May has been landed with, while not necessarily her choice of outcome, is because of her actions.

[Grace of God]

We will be lucky to see any benefits of Brexit at all, it seems everyone in power is so against it by the time finishing amending what the people really wanted it, we might as well stayed in any way..

Such a pity that Britain has proved itself to be so undemocratic...

[Anchorman]

Interesting intervention by Jack McConnell - former Labour first minister of Scotland and now member of the HOL. He broadly agrees with the Scottish government on the Westminster power grab of matters devolved from Brussels which should - but won't - go to Holyrood. The Stooshie over NI isn't settled; now for the stooshie over Scotland. Anyone got popcorn?

[Harrowby Hall]

Such a pity that Britain has proved itself to be so undemocratic...

Is this a reference to the claim that a measure which won the approval of 37% of the electorate was "overwhelmingly" supported?

[Anchorman]

Is this a reference to the claim that a measure which won the approval of 37% of the electorate was "overwhelmingly" supported?

....or could it be that two of the constituet parts of this failed union are being dragged out of the EU against the will of the majority who live there?

[Aruntraveller]

....or could it be that two of the constituet parts of this failed union are being dragged out of the EU against the will of the majority who live there?

It could be both, of course.

[Nearly Sane]

Leaving aside the hypocrisy, this is an illustration of why there is no point in satire on politics.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43484031

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Leaving aside the hypocrisy, this is an illustration of why there is no point in satire on politics.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43484031

Anybody throwing fish into the Thames must be in ''a bad place'' IMHO.

[Grace of God]

Is this a reference to the claim that a measure which won the approval of 37% of the electorate was "overwhelmingly" supported?

It was a democratic vote in or out, cameron promised to action the vote which ever way it went, when we voted Brexit, like the coward he has always been he resigned and allowed the blocking to begin...

the good news is 2 years on the sky hasn't fallen in yet...

[Nearly Sane]

This may not be the last


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/23/owen-smith-sacked-from-labour-party-frontbench

[Rhiannon]

This may not be the last


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/23/owen-smith-sacked-from-labour-party-frontbench

Makes Jezza look like a little man.

[SteveH]

It was a democratic vote in or out, cameron promised to action the vote which ever way it went, when we voted Brexit, like the coward he has always been he resigned and allowed the blocking to begin...

the good news is 2 years on the sky hasn't fallen in yet...

We haven't left yet. At least I agree with your low opinion of Cameron. (There's no such verb as "to action", by the way.)

Yet another good reason to stay in Europe. https://www.facebook.com/AmericaVersusbyattn/videos/1793066711001580/

We will be lucky to see any benefits of Brexit at all, it seems everyone in power is so against it by the time finishing amending what the people really wanted it, we might as well stayed in any way..

Getting your excuses in first, eh? You should be a politician!

...what the people really wanted...

34.73% of the people, actually - and that's just the electorate. The total population is another matter.

[ProfessorDavey]

the good news is 2 years on the sky hasn't fallen in yet...

The sky hadn't fallen in but the economy is really struggling.

Before the referendum we were one of the fastest growing developed economies. We are now the slowest growing of the G20 countries.

[Harrowby Hall]

It was a democratic vote in or out, cameron promised to action the vote which ever way it went, when we voted Brexit, like the coward he has always been he resigned and allowed the blocking to begin...

Cameron had no intention of leaving the EU. Legally, the referendum was "advisory". Its purpose was not determine continued membership of the EU but to silence the small number of paleolithic throwbacks making a lot of noise in the Conservative Party. He resigned because he had been shown to be an incompetent party leader. (Like his three immediate predecessors in that role his sole qualification was that his name wasn't Ken Clarke.)

The Maybot thought that if she said "let's do Brexit" then the majority of UKRAPPers would vote Conservative.

[jeremyp]

the good news is 2 years on the sky hasn't fallen in yet...

The denial is strong in this one...

[jeremyp]

Can the referendum be called democratic if it is found that one side committed electoral fraud?

For the moment, this is a theoretical question, but if the electoral commission finds Vote Leave did cheat, does that not mean the fig leaf of democracy that the Brexiteers cling to is an illusion?

[floo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-43537451/stormy-daniels-i-was-threatened

I suspect there is some truth to this woman's story. Trump seemed unable to keep it in his pants if the allegations about his past sexual misconduct are factual.

[jakswan]

Cameron had no intention of leaving the EU. Legally, the referendum was "advisory". Its purpose was not determine continued membership of the EU but to silence the small number of paleolithic throwbacks making a lot of noise in the Conservative Party. He resigned because he had been shown to be an incompetent party leader. (Like his three immediate predecessors in that role his sole qualification was that his name wasn't Ken Clarke.)

The Maybot thought that if she said "let's do Brexit" then the majority of UKRAPPers would vote Conservative.

Heard a lot of this rewrite of history, almost all parties supported the referendum especially after UKIP won in 2014.

[ProfessorDavey]

Heard a lot of this rewrite of history, almost all parties supported the referendum especially after UKIP won in 2014.

Jakswan - it is you that is rewriting history.

At the 2015 General election the only parties with a pledge for an in/out referendum on membership of the EU were the Tories and UKIP. Labour did indicate that were there to be proposals for powers to be transferred to the EU in the future then that would be subject a referendum - but that is a completely different matter to pledging a referendum on the current situation.

[jeremyp]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-43537451/stormy-daniels-i-was-threatened

I suspect there is some truth to this woman's story. Trump seemed unable to keep it in his pants if the allegations about his past sexual misconduct are factual.

You might be on the wrong thread...

[jakswan]

Jakswan - it is you that is rewriting history.

At the 2015 General election the only parties with a pledge for an in/out referendum on membership of the EU were the Tories and UKIP. Labour did indicate that were there to be proposals for powers to be transferred to the EU in the future then that would be subject a referendum - but that is a completely different matter to pledging a referendum on the current situation.

Labour mostly voted for the European Union Referendum Act 2015. You might support another vote (unlike Labour leadership) if that passes and we have the vote and remain wins, anyone who says we only stayed because of a small bunch of moderates wanted it would be dishonest. 

[floo]

Labour mostly voted for the European Union Referendum Act 2015. You might support another vote (unlike Labour leadership) if that passes and we have the vote and remain wins, anyone who says we only stayed because of a small bunch of moderates wanted it would be dishonest.

And what if the position was reversed if there was another referendum?

[jeremyp]

The democratic credentials of the referendum are now looking even more shaky.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43558876