Brexit - the next steps

[Harrowby Hall]

An interesting, innovative and readily understood approach to outlining the complexities of Brexit. 

Subterraneanly inspired!

brexitmapping.com

[Harrowby Hall]

So, suddenly, immediately. the Orange Haired Idiot imposed a 25% increased tariff onto steel and aluminium (a word he is incapable of spelling or pronouncing properly) from China, Mexico, Canada and the EU. Two of these entities, China and the EU, are larger economies than the USA.

The apparent belief of the paleolithic throwback puppeteers who control the Maybot is that a "free" UK will be able to make its own trade agreements when it is no longer a member of the EU. Do they really believe that they have a greater chance than the EU of getting favourable agreements when they are negotiating with an economy whose GDP is more than six times as large as their own? And when its chief executive believes that he is a master at doing "deals" (and, apparently, has written a book about his abilities) but who also seems to have no concept of strategy?

[Aruntraveller]

aluminium (a word he is incapable of spelling or pronouncing properly)

To be fair to him that is a problem with English as spoken and used by Americans generally and not specific to the Trumpster.

Rest of your post spot on!

[jeremyp]

Two of these entities, China and the EU, are larger economies than the USA.

Measured in terms of GDP, both are smaller than the USA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

[Nearly Sane]

The quoted message below was tweeted by the intellectual colossus that is Nadine Dorries MP.

'David Davis is ex SAS He’s trained to survive. He’s also trained to take people out.'

[Aruntraveller]

The quoted message below was tweeted by the intellectual colossus that is Nadine Dorries MP.

'David Davis is ex SAS He’s trained to survive. He’s also trained to take people out.'

FFS. Playground stuff. I despair.

[Nearly Sane]

Minister resigns over Brexit 'strategy'



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44453540

Resignation  letter below

http://www.phillip-lee.com/uncategorized/ministerial-resignation-statement/

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Now that Trump has removed all nuclear weapons from North Korea We can look forward to that trade deal with the US that will completely compensate us for leaving the EU.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Has May fucked over the remainer rebels.....and if she has wouldn't that give non tories the majority in any no confidence vote against May?

[Nearly Sane]

Has May fucked over the remainer rebels.....and if she has wouldn't that give non tories the majority in any no confidence vote against May?

No, since the amendments failed. In addition no doubt the Labour  leavers would not vote in a no confidence vote.

[Nearly Sane]

So 15 minutes to debate the devolution amendment, only one speaker, the govt one, no debate on the Irish border, and Labour abstained in it.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

No, since the amendments failed. In addition no doubt the Labour  leavers would not vote in a no confidence vote.

But according to Buckland what Grieve, Soubry, Wollaston et ce
got was apromise merely to discuss.

Since it appears they've been bunkoed what recourse do they have?

[Nearly Sane]

But according to Buckland what Grieve, Soubry, Wollaston et ce
got was apromise merely to discuss.

Since it appears they've been bunkoed what recourse do they have?

Even were they to have the numbers and I don't think they have, they would be outweighed by Labour leavers not voting no confidence as it would put Brexit at risk - there were between 5 and 6 voting with the govt last night on different amendments. That aside if they weren't able to vote against the govt last night with the offer of a promise, I can't see how you think it likely that they would vote a no confidence in their own govt. Clarke and Soubry might, but the others don't seem to have the form for that.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Even were they to have the numbers and I don't think they have, they would be outweighed by Labour leavers not voting no confidence as it would put Brexit at risk - there were between 5 and 6 voting with the govt last night on different amendments. That aside if they weren't able to vote against the govt last night with the offer of a promise, I can't see how you think it likely that they would vote a no confidence in their own govt. Clarke and Soubry might, but the others don't seem to have the form for that.

Right , so they may well have been fucked over by May.

[Nearly Sane]

Right , so they may well have been fucked over by May.

They may have been, I was answering your follow up question about whether it would create a majority against May in a no confidence vote.

[Nearly Sane]

For, against and neither. There are broad churches and then there are broken ones.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44474661

[Aruntraveller]

Can I intervene at this point and say I really don't understand what is happening. 

[Nearly Sane]

If you think you do, you don't.

[Gordon]

Somebody needs to stop this madness now, and even the likes of Teresa May must surely realise that there can be no 'good' Brexit  since it has made fanatics out of some otherwise reasonable people. Of course it was never meant to happen anyway, the referendum was just supposed to sideline the lunatic Tory fringe - but as a result they were given a set of keys and then they decided they'd rather like to open an asylum, and we've all been admitted.

The Labour party are a joke - John Smith would never have allowed them to abandon being a credible opposition.

Where do we go from here I wonder?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Somebody needs to stop this madness now, and even the likes of Teresa May must surely realise that there can be no 'good' Brexit  since it has made fanatics out of some otherwise reasonable people. Of course it was never meant to happen anyway, the referendum was just supposed to sideline the lunatic Tory fringe - but as a result they were given a set of keys and then they decided they'd rather like to open an asylum, and we've all been admitted.

The Labour party are a joke - John Smith would never have allowed them to abandon being a credible opposition.

Where do we go from here I wonder?

I fear Brexit may have done for the Labour party after all since anti Corbyn elements keen to leave him high and dry have no desire to actually run a party vis Umanna, Cooper, Burnham, Khan, Jarvis. It was just the final stage in wiping out any benefits accrued in the 20th century by the Conservatives.
Cameron did start the major assault on public services and workers rights after all Brexit just fast tracks that.

[Rhiannon]

I fear Brexit may have done for the Labour party after all since anti Corbyn elements keen to leave him high and dry have no desire to actually run a party vis Umanna, Cooper, Burnham, Khan, Jarvis. It was just the final stage in wiping out any benefits accrued in the 20th century by the Conservatives.
Cameron did start the major assault on public services and workers rights after all Brexit just fast tracks that.

Or Jeremy's just screwed it up.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Or Jeremy's just screwed it up.

Jeremy is what has held the whole thing together.
The screwing up has been done by those who liked Labour when it was successful but let it go fuck when that had worn of.

Which branch of the Labour party is anywhere near capable or interested enough to fight an election in 2022 let alone an earlier one?

[Aruntraveller]

Jeremy is what has held the whole thing together.

I like Corbyn but on Brexit he has been abysmal.  Just tell me what his policy is today. And then tell me again tomorrow, because it will have changed. Take the weekend off and come back on Monday and tell me what his policy is then. And repeat.

On this one issue Corbyn is very similar to Mrs May. He is trying too hard to get a concensus, when that is not an option with Brexit. It just is not.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I like Corbyn but on Brexit he has been abysmal.  Just tell me what his policy is today. And then tell me again tomorrow, because it will have changed. Take the weekend off and come back on Monday and tell me what his policy is then. And repeat.

On this one issue Corbyn is very similar to Mrs May. He is trying too hard to get a concensus, when that is not an option with Brexit. It just is not.

I think his approach has been better than May's which is what I expect at the moment since now we are at the stage where Europe is now hostile. I believe that if Jeremy had to replace May in the next three months we would be far better of as a country than we look as if we are going to be even if Brexit were to roll on.

Chukka or any of his ilk leave no impression that they would want to be PM.

[Aruntraveller]

I think his approach has been better than May's which is what I expect at the moment since now we are at the stage where Europe is now hostile. I believe that if Jeremy had to replace May in the next three months we would be far better of as a country than we look as if we are going to be even if Brexit were to roll on.

Chukka or any of his ilk leave no impression that they would want to be PM.

Of course we'd be better as a country. But thats not really much of an ask, you could put a donkey in No. 10 and we would be better off in terms of leadership.

However, we need someone to articulate clearly what they expect Brexit to look like. No politician I can think of has done this, granted thats mainly because it is such a clusterfuck that it is not possible. But still, a vague clue would be appreciated.