Brexit - the next steps

[Walt Zingmatilder]

So it's not just about English nationalism then.

I'm afraid it is with welsh Brexiters as useful idiotry.

[Nearly Sane]

I'm afraid it is with welsh Brexiters as useful idiotry.

You do like branding large numbers of the population don't you? By the way what about those in Scotland and NI that voted leave?

[Nearly Sane]

So if May has acceded to the demands of the European Research Group, the Chequers agreement is surely dead.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/may-concedes-on-erg-amendments-effectively-killing-off-chequers-plan/16/07/

[wigginhall]

Yes, if it's correct, May is showing her subservience to the hard Brexiteers, and increasing the chances of no deal, since the Chequers deal has gone.   Maybe those reports of stockpiling of tinned food, etc., are not so far-fetched.  Spam and baked beans,  anyone?

[Nearly Sane]

Surely this undermines all those who lauded the Chequers deal? Hammond must be wondering about his position.

[wigginhall]

Grieve suggesting we will have to stay in EU.  Along with Greening's 2nd referendum idea, the Tory remainers are fighting back..

[Nearly Sane]

Grieve suggesting we will have to stay in EU.  Along with Greening's 2nd referendum idea, the Tory remainers are fighting back..

The bleeding of support to UKIP and drop of 6% in the polls for the Tories will undoubtedly worried May but the numbers at least would seem to back up Greening, that anything in parliament is going to be on a knife edge,

[Rhiannon]

Grieve suggesting we will have to stay in EU.  Along with Greening's 2nd referendum idea, the Tory remainers are fighting back..

Let's hope the fuck so.

[wigginhall]

Is Rees-Mogg the king now?  Will he allow food rationing to come in slowly?

[Nearly Sane]

Is Rees-Mogg the king now?  Will he allow food rationing to come in slowly?

Nadine Dorries was tweeting that people keep coming up to her saying that if a charismatic leader were to start a new party, they would vote for him or her.

[Nearly Sane]

and a slight mea culpa, well more someone twisted my arm up my back really quite hard and got me to say Turkey people smell of poo and wee culpa, from the bold Michael.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/16/michael-gove-admits-leave-was-wrong-to-fuel-immigration-fears

[wigginhall]

I am coming across people who are panicking about getting their medication after Brexit, in case borders are shut to pharmaceuticals, in the event of no deal.   They are probably over-reacting, but it seems incredible that such ideas are around.  I don't  know if they are legitimate worries.

[Rhiannon]

Nadine Dorries was tweeting that people keep coming up to her saying that if a charismatic leader were to start a new party, they would vote for him or her.

Sounds like a plan. Then the loons can fuck off out of government. Can we find a way of doing the same with Corbyn?

[Rhiannon]

I am coming across people who are panicking about getting their medication after Brexit, in case borders are shut to pharmaceuticals, in the event of no deal.   They are probably over-reacting, but it seems incredible that such ideas are around.  I don't  know if they are legitimate worries.

Yes, doctor's leaders have voiced exactly this concern. Apparently the NHS is already planning for a no deal because of the shortages that it will produce. I believe that cancer treatment is one area that will be hit because of how the chemicals used are produced and regulated.

[Nearly Sane]

Struggling to see how this doesn't make the backstop Irish solution that they agreed with the EU illegal?

[Nearly Sane]

Govt trying to bring recess forward from next Tuesday presumably to avoid what might happen post a Boris speech.


Looks like Labour will vote against the 4 ER amendments, though not sure the Tory Remainers will vote against all of them

[wigginhall]

Yes, some talk that the govt could lose on the erg amendments, which they have accepted.   Am I going mad, or is it just Brexit at work?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Hasn't the woman got any dignity at all allowing herself to become Mogg's ''Punk''


She should resign given her record anyway and let the ERG expose themselves and do their own dirty work.


The tory party can't be saved now.

[Aruntraveller]

I have to report that Dennis Skinner has taken up appearing in drag.

Sorry - my apologies, hadn't got my glasses on. Apparently it was Anna Soubry letting rip at Rees Mogg over inherited wealth.

[Rhiannon]

She rocks.

[Nearly Sane]

Labour rebels trump Tory rebels



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44854597

[jeremyp]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44856992

It's official. One of the Leave campaigns cheated in the referendum. I think it, the result and all the crap that has happened since should be consigned to the dustbin of history.

[Rhiannon]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44856992

It's official. One of the Leave campaigns cheated in the referendum. I think it, the result and all the crap that has happened since should be consigned to the dustbin of history.

I hope so. But somehow I doubt it. I can't even think how the process for that will work. Could it be declared void because of electoral interference?

[Nearly Sane]

I hope so. But somehow I doubt it. I can't even think how the process for that will work. Could it be declared void because of electoral interference?

I doubt it from a breach like this, though I suspect case law on such matters to be fairly short.


Another interesting Twitter thread on this - No brooches involved


https://mobile.twitter.com/PeterKGeoghegan/status/1019124850454155269

[Rhiannon]

I doubt it from a breach like this, though I suspect case law on such matters to be fairly short.

Yes, this is my feeling too.

But if put together with the lies - the money for the NHS for example, when actually PHE are talking about the possibility of contingency plans in case no deal brings us to the point of collapse - could that work? Different cases, maybe not...