Brexit - the next steps

[jeremyp]

Only of academic interest to me....but encouraging foreign migrants to come in just because they accept low paying manual jobs, could backfire in the long run.  In the next generation their children will not remain as low paid workers.  They will move up and take up high paid jobs as well.

I'm failing to see a down side to having a country with more motivated young people in it.

[Nearly Sane]

That's one of the most original arguments I've seen for Brexit. It's also one of the most ludicrous, but hats off for imagination there.

I suppose with the stockpiling of tinned goods, it might also help the obesity problem. Perhaps we could have put on own version of The Hunger Games

[Rhiannon]

I'm failing to see a down side to having a country with more motivated young people in it.

I saw a piece on Newsnight once about how migrants living in deprived areas blow apart the myth that 'nobody from round here gets anywhere so why bother trying' because their kids do try and do achieve. This can motivate others, but most of the time it seems to just stoke feelings of resentment.

So given that too many people in this country aren't motivated I'm all for importing it.

[wigginhall]

I saw a film about Oldham, which has had its problems with racism.  But anyway the film stated two things, that immigration into Oldham had gone up, and unemployment had gone down.  This seems to contradict the idea that migration reduces jobs.  I suppose it won't reduce the racism, in fact, you may get envy of new immigrants making good.  My Lithuanian neighbour is a builder and is doing well, (Norfolk).

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Got there in the end

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/23/uk-public-will-blame-eu-for-no-deal-brexit-says-jeremy-hunt

Tories and Cameron exonerated.

This and economic uncertainty for at least 50 years (Rees Mogg)

Tories finally concede that the only way for the Tories to be in power is economic disaster.

[Gordon]

It seems Mrs May has taken personal charge of Brexit - so that's all right then!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44941792

[jeremyp]

It seems Mrs May has taken personal charge of Brexit - so that's all right then!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44941792

You’re making something out of nothing. As the Brexit secretary said, it’s no more than shifting the deck chairs in Whitehall...

... oh, wait...

[Walt Zingmatilder]

You’re making something out of nothing. As the Brexit secretary said, it’s no more than shifting the deck chairs in Whitehall...

You mean Titanic.

Seventh petty officer Curruthers played by Jacob Rees Mogg is shooting his way toward a place in the lifeboat. Rose played by Anna Soubry has forsaken her place in the boats to return for plucky artist Jack played by Arron Banks. As his body sinks in the icy waters Rose fears the worst unconscious of Jacks miniature scuba equipment and the dark and silent outline of a submarine below.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Jabba the Hutt lookalike proposes reform of treason act...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/25/tory-mep-david-bannerman-ex-ukip-says-treason-act-should-include-extreme-eu-loyalty

Given the definitions of treason bandied about here I wonder if the following persons could not be considered.

All fuel protestors.
William Hague for supporting the protests.
Hard Brexitters who would seek an interruption in the food supply.

[jeremyp]

Jabba the Hutt lookalike proposes reform of treason act...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/25/tory-mep-david-bannerman-ex-ukip-says-treason-act-should-include-extreme-eu-loyalty

Given the definitions of treason bandied about here I wonder if the following persons could not be considered.

All fuel protestors.
William Hague for supporting the protests.
Hard Brexitters who would seek an interruption in the food supply.

Given the number of times Bannerman has defected, he probably wouldn’t know loyalty if it hit him in the face.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Apparently he both lives in and is Antwerp.

[SteveH]

Apparently he both lives in and is Antwerp.

[Rhiannon]

Gary Lineker backs a second referendum. So there we go, one of our greatest political thinkers will no doubt sway the balance.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Brexiters…….....Where is the food plan? The medicines Plan?

[Rhiannon]

Brexiters…….....Where is the food plan? The medicines Plan?

Well I want to know from Ippy and others whether food stockpiling is what they voted for.

[Robbie]

I find it all scary. In a couple of years our entire lifestyles could be drastically changed for the worst & I won't understand in a lifetime why anyone voted Brexit.

[Rhiannon]

I find it all scary. In a couple of years our entire lifestyles could be drastically changed for the worst & I won't understand in a lifetime why anyone voted Brexit.

Yes, if the chance ever looks even half likely I will be moving elsewhere.

And I never, ever thought I'd say that.

[torridon]

Yes, if the chance ever looks even half likely I will be moving elsewhere.

And I never, ever thought I'd say that.

Is it too late to think of setting up some business interests or somesuch in Europe as a basis for claiming European citizenship after Brexit ?

[Rhiannon]

Is it too late to think of setting up some business interests or somesuch in Europe as a basis for claiming European citizenship after Brexit ?

Probably. Anyway, I’ll figure out something. I usually do.

[Aruntraveller]

Well I want to know from Ippy and others whether food stockpiling is what they voted for.

You arent really expecting an answer are you?

[jeremyp]

This is a really scary article

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is-what-no-deal-brexit-actually-looks-like

It analyses the effect of a no deal Brexit on just our food distribution system. If the average time to clear customs at Dover increases from the current two minutes to four minutes, the tailback would be 20 miles long within 24 hours. Our just in time food system would collapse completely within 24 hours five days.

[Gordon]

This is a really scary article

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is-what-no-deal-brexit-actually-looks-like

It analyses the effect of a no deal Brexit on just our food distribution system. If the average time to clear customs at Dover increases from the current two minutes to four minutes, the tailback would be 20 miles long within 24 hours. Our just in time food system would collapse completely within 24 hours.

That is scary - someone needs to stop this madness before it is too late: it feels like we are being walked up the scaffold by chronically gullible Brexit enthusiasts who are telling us, as we see seeing the executioner looking at us and rubbing his hands, that there really is nothing to worry about.

Politics in the UK works whereby one democratic decision can be overturned by a later democratic decision. The Tories are too infected as as party (bar a few exceptions) by their lunatic fringe to do anything other than lemming impersonations, so a re-run referendum won't happen: so we need a GE and hope that the outcome provides a means to abandon Brexit before it is too late.

[Rhiannon]

That is scary - someone needs to stop this madness before it is too late: it feels like we are being walked up the scaffold by chronically gullible Brexit enthusiasts who are telling us, as we see seeing the executioner looking at us and rubbing his hands, that there really is nothing to worry about.

Politics in the UK works whereby one democratic decision can be overturned by a later democratic decision. The Tories are too infected as as party (bar a few exceptions) by their lunatic fringe to do anything other than lemming impersonations, so a re-run referendum won't happen: so we need a GE and hope that the outcome provides a means to abandon Brexit before it is too late.

If Labour genuinely had a Remain leadership I think we might be looking at a very different scenario.

[wigginhall]

Yes, I could see that Labour were using ambiguity over Brexit to stop Leave voters flipping during the election, but now it's irresponsible.   They have a duty as opposition to oppose, but Corbyn is carrying the Tories' bags for them.  They are not even proposing the single market.

[Gordon]

If Labour genuinely had a Remain leadership I think we might be looking at a very different scenario.

Yep - all it would need is is Labour leader of the calibre of the late John Smith and enough of a Tory loss to allow a Tory-free coalition that would at least sanity-check Brexit before proceeding, and ideally bin it.

Desperate times require desperate measures so if someone could persuade Sinn Fein to take their Westminster seats on a one-off basis solely in order to defeat the Tories in a vote and bring down the government, and thereby Sinn Fein also stick one on the DUP, so as to force a GE that would be welcome.

Surely enough Brexit enthusiasts wouldn't be stupid enough to vote for it again (via supporting the Tories/UKIP) now that the shambles surrounding Brexit, and the Tory handling of it, is clear to anyone whose IQ scores a larger value than does their shoe-size.