Brexit - the next steps

[Udayana]

What happens re the NI/Eire border in the event of a no deal?

Why can't negotiating teams from NI and Eire be locked in room until they agree on something that will let brexit proceed or just give up?
 

[Nearly Sane]

What happens re the NI/Eire border in the event of a no deal?

Why can't negotiating teams from NI and Eire be locked in room until they agree on something that will let brexit proceed or just give up?

Because the negotiating teams are the UK and the EU

[Udayana]

Because the negotiating teams are the UK and the EU

Yes, but I'm suggesting delegation to competent sub-teams. If they can agree on a solution why shouldn't the UK, EU accept it?

[jeremyp]

Yes, but I'm suggesting delegation to competent sub-teams. If they can agree on a solution why shouldn't the UK, EU accept it?

Because they might agree on a solution that crosses the red line of either the EU or the UK.

In fact, I think the only two practical solutions are hard border and UK not leaving the customs union. The default is hard border, and that is what we will get carrying on in the direction we are going.

[Nearly Sane]

Yes, but I'm suggesting delegation to competent sub-teams. If they can agree on a solution why shouldn't the UK, EU accept it?

Because the issue is an EU wide one

[Aruntraveller]

Lying, lying bastards courtesy of Newsthump:

http://newsthump.com/2018/09/21/lying-bastards-furious-at-emanuel-macron-for-pointing-out-that-they-are-lying-bastards/

[Anchorman]

Because the issue is an EU wide one

 


Agreed...but even if there were an NI delegation, such a delegation would have to be either appointed by, or approved by, the NI Assembly - which hasn't sat for eighteen months.
Were Westminster to appoint such a delegation, you'd probably hear the objections from here without the need for a microphone or speakers.

[Udayana]

 


Agreed...but even if there were an NI delegation, such a delegation would have to be either appointed by, or approved by, the NI Assembly - which hasn't sat for eighteen months.
Were Westminster to appoint such a delegation, you'd probably hear the objections from here without the need for a microphone or speakers.

True enough .. though if there is not going to be a deal what will they do about the border? They (NI) need to get their thinking caps on.
 

[jeremyp]

True enough .. though if there is not going to be a deal what will they do about the border?

If there is no Brexit deal, it'll have to revert to being a hard border.

They (NI) need to get their thinking caps on.

It's out of their hands. There's nothing they (people in Northern Ireland) can do to fix this.

[Nearly Sane]

And court case rolls on

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-45601394

[Anchorman]

And court case rolls on

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-45601394

Interesting..
Though,even if they win the case, probably irrelevent; unfortunately.

[Udayana]

If there is no Brexit deal, it'll have to revert to being a hard border.It's out of their hands. There's nothing they (people in Northern Ireland) can do to fix this.

The DUP has, potentially, significant votes in any confidence vote or vote on a deal/no-deal in Westminster. If they, and/or Sinn Fein, actually stopped wanking and got out of bed they potentially have significant influence on any choices taken by May.
 

[wigginhall]

Well, the DUP are having a big influence.  They make a hard border very likely, after all.   In fact, you could say that May is paralyzed by them and ERG .  No surrender, etc.  Plus, a billion smackers!

[Udayana]

That is them pretending there is no issue.

I liked this: https://www.facebook.com/financialtimes/videos/304396883693376/

[ad_orientem]

I think stockpiling has been a macabre joke, but come January, there may be panic, and buying in bulk.   Unless of course, a deal happens.  Can you believe that a modern industrial country is contemplating wartime measures?   What insanity has taken us over?

No one's going to run out of food.

[jeremyp]

No one's going to run out of food.

Doesn't mean there won't be panic.

[Shaker]

Doesn't mean there won't be panic.

"Panic about running out of food" and "Actually running out of food" are not synonymous.

[jeremyp]

"Panic about running out of food" and "Actually running out of food" are not synonymous.

fortunately Wigginhall did not suggest there would be actual running out of food, merely panic and stockpiling.

[ad_orientem]

Then people are idiots.

[Harrowby Hall]

Then people are idiots.

The whole Brexit farrago exemplifies that.

[ad_orientem]

The whole Brexit farrago exemplifies that.

Ate you saying people who voted to leave the EU are idiots?

[Harrowby Hall]

Winter setting in early in Finland?

Why don't you read what I have written instead of your interpretation of it?

[jeremyp]

Ate you saying people who voted to leave the EU are idiots?

The whole process is looking pretty idiotic now.

[ad_orientem]

The whole process is looking pretty idiotic now.

Could have been handled much better by both sides, without a doubt.

[ad_orientem]

Winter setting in early in Finland?

Maybe.