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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #2500 on: October 11, 2018, 08:40:35 PM »
Despite all the assurances that a mythical 'good deal' is surely in the offing it looks like the contingency planning for no deal is making some natives (those in the general direction of Dover) restless on finding out they are in for a taster of what might happen if no 'good deal' occurs.

Never mind: I'm sure the Brexit zealots in the Kent area who voted 'Leave' envisaged this kind of thing and will tolerate the disruption with stoic good humour.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45827197
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #2501 on: October 11, 2018, 08:44:26 PM »
I see the BBC is embracing our new American overlords: “parking lot”. Bah.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #2502 on: October 11, 2018, 11:06:11 PM »
Quote from: jeremyp on October 11, 2018, 08:44:26 PM
I see the BBC is embracing our new American overlords: “parking lot”. Bah.

That campaign was lost a long time ago. How often do you hear anyone pronounce "harrass" in its correct English way?
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« Reply #2503 on: October 14, 2018, 11:32:34 AM »
Reading the news this morning, it's obvious that the DUP and the Tory rebels are going to tank any deal. That will force a general election but instead of that being a cause for celebration, we will get Corbyn who also intends to tank any deal - he's consistently voted against all EU treaties in his career.

The only saving grace would be if the government at the highest level decided to put the brakes on leaving, but the cabinet is stuffed with Brexiters and David Davis is stoking them up to vote down any deal or to resign. Unless the HoL comes up with a genius plan or a plot from House of Cards appears before our eyes and Her Maj steps up, we're screwed.
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« Reply #2504 on: October 14, 2018, 12:14:40 PM »
I thought Labour were talking about a customs union, not the customs union, but who knows what that means.   If Labour won an election, it would be odd to opt for hard Brexit, especially as Momentum are pro-remain.
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« Reply #2505 on: October 14, 2018, 12:16:46 PM »
Quote from: wigginhall on October 14, 2018, 12:14:40 PM
I thought Labour were talking about a customs union, not the customs union, but who knows what that means.   If Labour won an election, it would be odd to opt for hard Brexit, especially as Momentum are pro-remain.

Hope you are right, but this is the Cult of Jezza.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #2506 on: October 14, 2018, 05:32:45 PM »
Rumours flying around as Raab goes to Brussels, EU ambassadors meet, is a deal brewing?  May just has to find out if she can survive her own party.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #2507 on: October 14, 2018, 06:39:58 PM »
In news from Scotland: Davidson and Mundell threaten to resign if there is any separate deal for NI - neither will be any great loss, though the latter is by all accounts a decent bloke - on the basis that it will encourage the independence movement here if there are different customs arrangements allowed the NI.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-45856784

So, since it seems all the UK staying in the/a customs is problematic for the Tories Davidson and Mundell's position is that Scotland should endure a less favourable 'no deal' hard Brexit rather than have any separate customs arrangements like NI could have but won't, and which the DUP won't accept anyway - since if NI gets to stay in a customs union why can't Scotland: rock/hard place!

When will the penny drop for even the dumbest Brexit enthusiast that Brexit is shite. 
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #2508 on: October 14, 2018, 06:55:29 PM »
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When will the penny drop for even the dumbest Brexit enthusiast that Brexit is shite. 

Good luck with that particular wish.  :(
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #2509 on: October 14, 2018, 07:40:58 PM »
Quote from: Gordon on October 14, 2018, 06:39:58 PM
In news from Scotland: Davidson and Mundell threaten to resign if there is any separate deal for NI - neither will be any great loss, though the latter is by all accounts a decent bloke - on the basis that it will encourage the independence movement here if there are different customs arrangements allowed the NI. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-45856784 So, since it seems all the UK staying in the/a customs is problematic for the Tories Davidson and Mundell's position is that Scotland should endure a less favourable 'no deal' hard Brexit rather than have any separate customs arrangements like NI could have but won't, and which the DUP won't accept anyway - since if NI gets to stay in a customs union why can't Scotland: rock/hard place! When will the penny drop for even the dumbest Brexit enthusiast that Brexit is shite.
Come on! To say that Mundell is useless is the understatement to end all understatements! The secretary-in-a-state fore Scotland could dye his hair magenta, dance a can-can on "Rape clause Ruthie's" doorstep and no-one would notice him. As for Ruthie herself? She ain't no Annabel Goldie - more's the pity.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #2510 on: October 14, 2018, 09:08:32 PM »
The rumours have gone negative, no meetings until Wednesday.   Maybe it's choreography, but it looks grim.   What a disgrace if It's no deal.    Self-humiliation.
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« Reply #2511 on: October 14, 2018, 09:13:08 PM »
Quote from: wigginhall on October 14, 2018, 09:08:32 PM
The rumours have gone negative, no meetings until Wednesday.   Maybe it's choreography, but it looks grim.   What a disgrace if It's no deal.    Self-humiliation.

A deal might b done. But then May won't get it through parliament.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #2512 on: October 15, 2018, 10:37:08 AM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on October 14, 2018, 09:13:08 PM
A deal might b done. But then May won't get it through parliament.

The best way to solve this issue is for Norway type deal with Labour support. Do not think that Labour would support anything since they will gamble on new election.

Even if Labour win Brexit will still happen, be odd if Labour got into power and fail their own six tests. If Labour win Brexit will be least of our troubles, Venezuela for us. :(

Would think both manifestos in an election would have a clear position on Brexit.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #2513 on: October 15, 2018, 11:25:10 AM »
JC4PM.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #2514 on: October 15, 2018, 11:30:45 AM »
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JC4PM.

That would damage the country even more.
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« Reply #2515 on: October 15, 2018, 11:50:39 AM »
Why?
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #2516 on: October 15, 2018, 12:27:16 PM »
Quote from: Steve H on October 15, 2018, 11:50:39 AM
Why?

Because he would make a very wimpy and pathetic PM, imo.
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« Reply #2517 on: October 15, 2018, 12:29:13 PM »
And that is a very wimpy and pathetic answer.  IMO.
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« Reply #2518 on: October 15, 2018, 12:34:23 PM »
Quote from: Steve H on October 15, 2018, 12:29:13 PM
And that is a very wimpy and pathetic answer.  IMO.

Dear, dear I must be following in your footsteps then! ;D
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #2519 on: October 15, 2018, 05:31:12 PM »
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #2520 on: October 15, 2018, 06:48:49 PM »
I hope to formally emigrate to Romania and take my family with me before next spring. Brexiteers will not cry my departure, but then I do not care to share any place with them either.

Let 'em marry their sisters if they want to.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #2521 on: October 16, 2018, 12:43:13 PM »
Quote from: jakswan on October 15, 2018, 10:37:08 AM
The best way to solve this issue is for Norway type deal with Labour support.

The best way to solve this issue is clearly not to have a Brexit at all, at least for now. Surely even the most extreme Brexiteers can recognise that being in the EU with full voting rights is a better deal than being in the EU with very few voting rights.

Then, if the Brexiteers still want to leave the EU even after the utter shambles that this attempt to leave has been, they can spend some time planning it better and coming up with a coherent alternative to EU membership.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #2522 on: October 16, 2018, 01:45:34 PM »
Quote from: jeremyp on October 16, 2018, 12:43:13 PM
The best way to solve this issue is clearly not to have a Brexit at all, at least for now. Surely even the most extreme Brexiteers can recognise that being in the EU with full voting rights is a better deal than being in the EU with very few voting rights.

Then, if the Brexiteers still want to leave the EU even after the utter shambles that this attempt to leave has been, they can spend some time planning it better and coming up with a coherent alternative to EU membership.

I don't think it would solve the issue in that this isn't going to get through Parliament. A Norway type deal could get through Parliament.

It possibly represents being 48% in the EU. :)

I know you want to reverse Brexit, the only viable path for this to happen is Election (where LibDems hold balance of power) -> referendum.

Actually May saying that she will go back to Parliament rather than go for no deal sets up a Norway deal.

 
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« Reply #2523 on: October 16, 2018, 02:03:14 PM »
Quote from: jakswan on October 16, 2018, 01:45:34 PM
I don't think it would solve the issue in that this isn't going to get through Parliament. A Norway type deal could get through Parliament.
Which is absurd when you think about it. Parliament would eschew a better deal for a worse one.

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It possibly represents being 48% in the EU. :)
48% of people who actually voted over two years ago. Do you think the result would be the same if we had the same referendum now?

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I know you want to reverse Brexit, the only viable path for this to happen is Election (where LibDems hold balance of power) -> referendum.
A week is a long time in politics.

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Actually May saying that she will go back to Parliament rather than go for no deal sets up a Norway deal.
Norway would be better than no deal IMO, but it is a deal that nobody in this country is happy with. The Norway deal is the deal that the Daily Mail and Nigel Farage were telling us we have now.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #2524 on: October 16, 2018, 02:06:59 PM »
Quote from: Gordon on October 11, 2018, 08:40:35 PM

Never mind: I'm sure the Brexit zealots in the Kent area who voted 'Leave' envisaged this kind of thing and will tolerate the disruption with stoic good humour.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45827197

If you mean the Isle of Thanet, I suggest digging the silt out of the Wantsum, and splitting them from the mainland again. They can drink in their local Wetherspoons, and curse the foreigners from the Kentish mainland for taking "their" jobs as they booze away their dole money. It will be their version of Zion.
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