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« Reply #2650 on: November 15, 2018, 10:17:16 AM »
   I wonder if Johnson is preparing his acceptance speech.

Well. He's a dead cert for PM. isn't he. I mean, as Foreign Secretary he was superb. The assured way he negotiated the freedom of Nazanin Zaghari-Radcliffe ...
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« Reply #2651 on: November 15, 2018, 10:24:03 AM »
Could mean Jo?

I wouldn't mind having a flutter on a Miliband moment there.

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« Reply #2652 on: November 15, 2018, 10:30:22 AM »
She's gone!

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« Reply #2653 on: November 15, 2018, 10:39:44 AM »
McVey flew away!
Raab drove off in a Saab!
Johnson sang his swan-song!
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« Reply #2654 on: November 15, 2018, 11:35:34 AM »
Blackford was right. May consulted Giberalterand Isle of man....but not Scotland. NI will have specialstatus...they votedremain. So did Scotland. We deserve the same status. We will not play second fiddle to anyone, far less the DUP.
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« Reply #2655 on: November 15, 2018, 12:01:42 PM »
Breaking news - Larry the Downing Street cat has just resigned. Here he is leaving.
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« Reply #2656 on: November 15, 2018, 12:02:18 PM »
Yes, I saw May's reply.  "Scotland was not mentioned as it is part of the UK".   I reckon the SNP could just use that line in their literature.
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« Reply #2657 on: November 15, 2018, 12:42:46 PM »
Someone else has resigned too. And another person.


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« Reply #2658 on: November 15, 2018, 01:36:02 PM »
Yes, I saw May's reply.  "Scotland was not mentioned as it is part of the UK".   I reckon the SNP could just use that line in their literature.



Just listened to FMQs from Holyrood.
Yes, there were calls for independence....fromPatrick Harvie, leader of the Scottish Greens.
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« Reply #2659 on: November 15, 2018, 01:48:30 PM »
And now Dominic Raab - the Brexit Secretary - has resigned.

May we live in interesting times ...
To lose one Brexit secretary may be regarded as misfortune; to lose two looks like carelessness.

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« Reply #2660 on: November 15, 2018, 01:51:41 PM »
Blackford was right. May consulted Giberalterand Isle of man....but not Scotland. NI will have specialstatus...they votedremain. So did Scotland. We deserve the same status. We will not play second fiddle to anyone, far less the DUP.
Scotland and Northern Ireland did not vote remain. Regions did not vote in the referendum, people did.

Northern Ireland gets special status  because it has a land border with the EU and has particularly close ties with the people on the other side of it, not because a majority of the people there voted Remain.
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« Reply #2661 on: November 15, 2018, 01:52:34 PM »
Mundell, occupier of the most innefective cabinet  seat, wrote a thret filled missive to May last night. Now he has decided not to resign...even though the fishing rights he demanded were not conceded. As Salmond oncesaid of a Tory; "He is like ashiver desperately seeking a spine to crawl up."
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« Reply #2662 on: November 15, 2018, 01:57:28 PM »
Scotland and Northern Ireland did not vote remain. Regions did not vote in the referendum, people did.

Northern Ireland gets special status  because it has a land border with the EU and has particularly close ties with the people on the other side of it, not because a majority of the people there voted Remain.
 



Scotland is NOT a region.
And May kept bleating on about her 'precious union'....either she treats usall the same or we demand the same rights as NI.
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« Reply #2663 on: November 15, 2018, 02:08:44 PM »
 
Scotland is NOT a region.
Yes it is. Scotland is a region. England is a region. Great Britain is a region. The UK is a region.

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And May kept bleating on about her 'precious union'....either she treats usall the same or we demand the same rights as NI.
Scotland does not have a land border with the EU. How hard is that to understand?
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« Reply #2664 on: November 15, 2018, 02:38:03 PM »
In my opinion, Scotland, Wales and England are regions, which need each other and cannot function alone. As for NI it never should have been separated from the rest of Ireland, and should be returned,
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« Reply #2665 on: November 15, 2018, 03:00:49 PM »
Breaking news - Larry the Downing Street cat has just resigned. Here he is leaving.
They do that if they have a better offer elsewhere .......either that or we will learn that Larry was the mastermind behind Brexit and is doing a Davis and Johnson to avoid the opprobrium.

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« Reply #2666 on: November 15, 2018, 03:07:29 PM »
If you think about it Brexit does have the hallmarks of a cat thing......in.....out......half in......half out...........perhaps you could make up my mind for me.........

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« Reply #2667 on: November 15, 2018, 03:12:16 PM »
In my opinion, Scotland, Wales and England are regions, which need each other and cannot function alone. As for NI it never should have been separated from the rest of Ireland, and should be returned,
This is why you make treaties.
At the moment I think England on its own would be run along the lines of Lord of the Flies.

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« Reply #2668 on: November 15, 2018, 03:15:41 PM »
In my opinion, Scotland, Wales and England are regions, which need each other and cannot function alone. As for NI it never should have been separated from the rest of Ireland, and should be returned,
   



Your opinion is in error.
This is becauseScotland is not, nor  hasever been, a region.
According to the Act of Union, Scotland, Like England, is a nation.
According to the Scotland Act (1998) passed by Westminster, Scotland is a nation.
According to Elizabeth Windsor;Scotland is a nation.
Are they wrong?
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« Reply #2669 on: November 15, 2018, 03:20:20 PM »
Rees Mogg is doing something that sounds significant. I wonder if his fool supporters will take this as some kind of signal and start putting the Bandana's on

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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #2670 on: November 15, 2018, 03:26:22 PM »
In my opinion, Scotland, Wales and England are regions, which need each other and cannot function alone. As for NI it never should have been separated from the rest of Ireland, and should be returned,

I understand the simplistic appeal of "Give Ireland back to the Irish", but that is what it is, simplistic. The method by which you would do this needs to be thought out thoroughly, and even then the sectarianism prevalent in NI is such that it would still be a bloody nasty transition. I use "bloody" literally in this instance.

Still we only need apply the clear thinking used to solve the Brexit issue and I'm sure all will turn out well........
Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.

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« Reply #2671 on: November 15, 2018, 03:37:24 PM »
I understand the simplistic appeal of "Give Ireland back to the Irish", but that is what it is, simplistic. The method by which you would do this needs to be thought out thoroughly, and even then the sectarianism prevalent in NI is such that it would still be a bloody nasty transition. I use "bloody" literally in this instance.

Still we only need apply the clear thinking used to solve the Brexit issue and I'm sure all will turn out well........
While I'm in favour of a united Ireland, that must be a matter for the people of both parts of the island.
Frommy friends in the Republic, they don't want the scurge of the sectarian neanderthals of Orangeist politics blighting their more enlightened society.
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« Reply #2672 on: November 15, 2018, 04:14:29 PM »
I understand the simplistic appeal of "Give Ireland back to the Irish", but that is what it is, simplistic. The method by which you would do this needs to be thought out thoroughly, and even then the sectarianism prevalent in NI is such that it would still be a bloody nasty transition. I use "bloody" literally in this instance.

Still we only need apply the clear thinking used to solve the Brexit issue and I'm sure all will turn out well........


I have dual British/Irish nationality, so a united Ireland is my preference. I know it is highly unlikely to happen, and would probably cause an uprising if it was ever a serious proposition.
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« Reply #2673 on: November 15, 2018, 04:21:17 PM »
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I have dual British/Irish nationality, so a united Ireland is my preference.

That doesn't make any sense.

I have sole British nationality, so good weather is my preference.
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« Reply #2674 on: November 15, 2018, 05:15:02 PM »
Sky News have said that a poll shows a three way vote (stay in, soft brexit, no deal) would result in a comfortable win for staying in the EU.