Brexit - the next steps

[jeremyp]

It is.

Only in your mind.

[jeremyp]

Can you not see how insulting that is though? Since it implies that England is a nation made of nine regions and Scotland only makes it to region status, is not a nation. What nation is it a region of?

Scotland is a nation of one region. Great Britain is a region of three nations. Get over it.

[Anchorman]

Can you not see how insulting that is though? Since it implies that England is a nation made of nine regions and Scotland only makes it to region status, is not a nation. What nation is it a region of?

Exactly.
Scotland HAD regions of her own....when local government was 'reorganised'(in asomewhat cackhanded attempt to jerrymander electoral boundaries.)
The regional structure wasdismantled under the Blair government..to therelief of most.

[ProfessorDavey]

Exactly.
Scotland HAD regions of her own....when local government was 'reorganised'(in asomewhat cackhanded attempt to jerrymander electoral boundaries.)
The regional structure wasdismantled under the Blair government..to therelief of most.

These are lower level regions.

The official definitions have a series of sub-nation region levels. The top being NUTS1 - The nation state of the United Kingdom has 12 NUTS1 regions -Scotland, Wales, NI, and 9 in England.

There are then NUTS2 (there are 4 in Scotland and 30 in England) and then NUTS3, where there are 23 in Scotland, aligning with council areas.

Read all about it here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NUTS_statistical_regions_of_the_United_Kingdom

[Udayana]

...
Read all about it here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NUTS_statistical_regions_of_the_United_Kingdom

Wonderful stuff.

Now, when we have left the EU we can rearrange all this. How about "The Great British Bake Off Federation" made up of the nations of England Scotland Wales and Cornwall with various other associated territories?   

[Harrowby Hall]

For there to be a "federation" Westminster would have to give up much of its current power. Federation implies powers being decentralised to the lowest feasible level. Consider changes in education - central government is working hard to abolish local education authorities (LEAs). One of the purposes of academies is to permit central government to have direct control of primary and secondary education.

Westminster's primary objective appears to be to micromanage everything. The complete antithesis of federal government.

[Anchorman]

For there to be a "federation" Westminster would have to give up much of its current power. Federation implies powers being decentralised to the lowest feasible level. Consider changes in education - central government is working hard to abolish local education authorities (LEAs). One of the purposes of academies is to permit central government to have direct control of primary and secondary education.

Westminster's primary objective appears to be to micromanage everything. The complete antithesis of federal government.

   



Pie in the sky at the moment, anyway;
Neither the SNPnor the Scottish greenswould countenance a federation.
To do so would destroy both parties.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Nigel Farage has called the Irish border issue the "greatest hoax in modern history".

The second biggest Nigel the biggest being that big red bus with £350 million for the NHS.

[JP]

Was the biggest not the economic armageddon there would be following a leave vote?

[SteveH]

Was the biggest not the economic armageddon there would be following a leave vote?

We haven't left yet - the economic armageddon will follow when we do.

[JP]

On a leave vote the Treasury forecast an instant recession. Half a million job losses just for voting leave, not even in the longer term and there would have to be an emergency budget.

Carney claimed that Britain could slide into recession in the aftermath of a vote to leave and warned it would stoke inflation and raise unemployment.

Just for a leave vote. All wrong.

[SteveH]

On a leave vote the Treasury forecast an instant recession. Half a million job losses just for voting leave, not even in the longer term and there would have to be an emergency budget.

Carney claimed that Britain could slide into recession in the aftermath of a vote to leave and warned it would stoke inflation and raise unemployment.

Just for a leave vote. All wrong.

https://www.ft.com/content/dfafc806-762d-11e8-a8c4-408cfba4327c
https://www.ft.com/content/cf51e840-7147-11e7-93ff-99f383b09ff9

[Roses]

On a leave vote the Treasury forecast an instant recession. Half a million job losses just for voting leave, not even in the longer term and there would have to be an emergency budget.

Carney claimed that Britain could slide into recession in the aftermath of a vote to leave and warned it would stoke inflation and raise unemployment.

Just for a leave vote. All wrong.

Things aren't great since the UK unwisely voted to leave the EU, I think they will be infinitely worse when we actually leave.

[wigginhall]

One of the weird things at the moment is seeing some Brexiters saying, to Remain voters you lost, etc., but also they hate May's deal.  So apparently we haven't yet attained the perfect Brexit, which people voted for, without realizing it.  A bit like religion.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

One of the weird things at the moment is seeing some Brexiters saying, to Remain voters you lost, etc., but also they hate May's deal.  So apparently we haven't yet attained the perfect Brexit, which people voted for, without realizing it.  A bit like religion.

Gratuitous inclusion of religion?

[jeremyp]

https://www.ft.com/content/dfafc806-762d-11e8-a8c4-408cfba4327c
https://www.ft.com/content/cf51e840-7147-11e7-93ff-99f383b09ff9

Paywalled. What do they say?

[jeremyp]

On a leave vote the Treasury forecast an instant recession. Half a million job losses just for voting leave, not even in the longer term and there would have to be an emergency budget.

Carney claimed that Britain could slide into recession in the aftermath of a vote to leave and warned it would stoke inflation and raise unemployment.

Just for a leave vote. All wrong.

I have to admit that I have no memory of that. I'm pretty sure it was all about when we actually leave. Of course, my memory is not perfect, so if you can find some contemporary citations that support your point, I'd be grateful.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

On a leave vote the Treasury forecast an instant recession. Half a million job losses just for voting leave, not even in the longer term and there would have to be an emergency budget.

Carney claimed that Britain could slide into recession in the aftermath of a vote to leave and warned it would stoke inflation and raise unemployment.

Just for a leave vote. All wrong.

If it does go wrong will you blame Europe or the incompetence of your Generals?

[Harrowby Hall]

Gratuitous inclusion of religion?

Far from it. A very perceptive comment about the fanciful, magical, improbable fairyland that the archpriest Farage has conjured in the minds of the credulous.

[Roses]

Far from it. A very perceptive comment about the fanciful, magical, improbable fairyland that the archpriest Farage has conjured in the minds of the credulous.

I agree.

[SteveH]

Paywalled. What do they say?

That's odd - I was able to read them first time, but now access is restricted, as you say.

[SteveH]

One of the weird things at the moment is seeing some Brexiters saying, to Remain voters you lost, etc., but also they hate May's deal.  So apparently we haven't yet attained the perfect Brexit, which people voted for, without realizing it.  A bit like religion.

Gratuitous inclusion of religion?

Yes, it is - a typical non-believer's sneer, and a straw-man sneer at that, as they know perfectly well that intelligent religious believers do not hold such simplistic views.

[Roses]

Gratuitous inclusion of religion?
Yes, it is - a typical non-believer's sneer, and a straw-man sneer at that, as they know perfectly well that intelligent religious believers do not hold such simplistic views.

How do you know that not being one of their number?

[SteveH]

How do you know that not being one of their number?

Absolutely pathetic and childish, and thus typical of your posts. Most people grow out of that sort of playground taunt when the go up to secondary sbhool.

[Roses]

Absolutely pathetic and childish, and thus typical of your posts. Most people grow out of that sort of playground taunt when the go up to secondary sbhool.

WOW, I have hit a raw nerve. As most of your posts directed at me are of the sort you describe above, you should address that comment to yourself.

Anyway back to Brexit, I see May is hoping to get business leaders to support her Brexit plan.