Brexit - the next steps

[wigginhall]

One interesting point is that the present deal is for withdrawal,  so the next phase could lead to EEA, or the Norway solution.   Of course, the headbangers will fight against this, as will May.  Many journos are saying there is a majority in the Commons for this, but of course, this is not the will of the people, laaf.

[jeremyp]

Gratuitous inclusion of religion?
Yes, it is - a typical non-believer's sneer,

IIRC Wigginhall isn't a non believer.

and a straw-man sneer at that, as they know perfectly well that intelligent religious believers do not hold such simplistic views.

Not all religious believers are intelligent. And even the intelligent ones hold some simplistic views. This is also true of the population in general.

[jeremyp]

WOW, I have hit a raw nerve.

Well you did just call Steve H stupid. I'm not surprised he took the bait.

[Rhiannon]

If something reminds Wiggs of religion then surely he shouldn't have to censor that?

[SteveH]

If something reminds Wiggs of religion then surely he shouldn't have to censor that?

No-one suggested that he should.

[Rhiannon]

No-one suggested that he should.

Phil thinks he's shoehorning something in. The implication being that it's insincere and should be omitted.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Far from it. A very perceptive comment about the fanciful, magical, improbable fairyland that the archpriest Farage has conjured in the minds of the credulous.

So Brexiteers will blame Europe and atheist remainers are blaming religion and nobody is prepared to blame them fucking selves.....


Brilliant.

[Spud]

It seems that we only have two options now:
1. Northern Ireland leaves the UK so Great Britain can leave the customs union.
2. The whole UK stays in the customs union for good.
I would like to know if voters in the referendum were aware of the issue of the irish border when they voted? If not, isn't that a good reason for having another referendum?
Or are there any other options? "No deal" seems not to be one.

[Gordon]

It seems that we only have two options now:
1. Northern Ireland leaves the UK so Great Britain can leave the customs union.
2. The whole UK stays in the customs union for good.
I would like to know if voters in the referendum were aware of the issue of the irish border when they voted? If not, isn't that a good reason for having another referendum?
Or are there any other options? "No deal" seems not to be one.

3. Bin Brexit.

[Spud]

3. Bin Brexit.

We'd have to leave then reapply to join, apparently.

[ProfessorDavey]

We'd have to leave then reapply to join, apparently.

No we wouldn't provided there is agreement to extend article 50 before the 29th March.

[Dicky Underpants]

No-one suggested that he should.

Still, you suggested that his comment was "Yes, it is - a typical non-believer's sneer, and a straw-man sneer at that". Well, whatever Wiggs is, he is certainly not a "typical non-believer", and his attitude to matters 'spiritual' is as deeply thought out as yours, perhaps more so. You - with your 'non-realist theology' - and Wiggs probably agree on quite a lot.
However, the dog's breakfast which is Brexit....

Theresa May, it seems to me, has agreed to the only possible terms that give due deference to the Irish question in all its ramifications. The loathsome Rees-Mogg and the blabber-mouth Boris would happily allow sweep the matter under the carpet as it were of no significance. The sad thing is that there are so many English people (particularly) who would agree with them.

[Dicky Underpants]

3. Bin Brexit.

If only.

[Dicky Underpants]

No we wouldn't provided there is agreement to extend article 50 before the 29th March.

The nationwide poll a week or so back seemed to indicate that there has been a very significant change in the outlook of previous pro-Brexiteers on the matter.

[jakswan]

Speculation now that May will offer Corbyn a spring election if he helps get this through!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46263140

[Roses]

The nationwide poll a week or so back seemed to indicate that there has been a very significant change in the outlook of previous pro-Brexiteers on the matter.

I suspect if there is another referendum the remainers would hold sway. Sadly it isn't likely to happen.

[jeremyp]

I would like to know if voters in the referendum were aware of the issue of the irish border when they voted? If not, isn't that a good reason for having another referendum?

Judging by the vote breakdown in NI, which surprised me, I would say that the residents of Northern Ireland, were definitely aware of the issue. Most of the rest of us? Not so much.

[jeremyp]

3. Bin Brexit.

That’s a subsection of option 2.

[jeremyp]

We'd have to leave then reapply to join, apparently.

I think the rest of the EU would be quite happy to bend the rules to let us stay. Don’t forget that we are a net contributor - one of only four. The EU is stronger with us in it.

[Anchorman]

Supreme court rules against government; https://www.supremecourt.uk/news/permission-to-appeal-application-for-secretary-of-state-for-exiting-the-european-union-v-wightman-and-others.html?fbclid=IwAR2pG7GkX-Yil1n9VKMUv7_d_r-k1fLTzr4l8jv1SbHBigcfW6VRb20S9LI

[Stranger]

Brexit UK - Last Week Tonight with John Oliver

The first five minutes are the bit from the latest episode that was not broadcast in the UK.

[Udayana]

Brexit UK - Last Week Tonight with John Oliver

The first five minutes are the bit from the latest episode that was not broadcast in the UK.

Very good ... thanks, I'd never have known.

[jakswan]

Leave March 19 is still odds on.

https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.130856098

Politics Live today suggested that Corbyn is not going to back the SNP - LibDems fall back position.

[Spud]

I think the rest of the EU would be quite happy to bend the rules to let us stay. Don’t forget that we are a net contributor - one of only four. The EU is stronger with us in it.

It would be a bit much to expect to be able to revoke Article 50 given that we voted to leave, effectively saying we don't want to be a member. If we had a genuine reason for U-turning, then I think they would let us apply to rejoin. Few voters were aware that leaving would be a huge problem for the Belfast Agreement (in fact it seems to violate this treaty, given that the majority of people of N. Ireland appear to want to remain in the UK), and it now seems clear that we must stay in the Customs Union if we are to honor that agreement. The fact that we would also like to be able to influence the EU by being a member is a privilege we have lost for the moment. A lot of us have to go through the process of learning how it all works before we can know what is the right choice to make. If the EU helps prevent conflict among its members, like the Belfast Agreement does, then maybe it would be wise to stay in the EU. However, there may be unforeseen advantages in being outside the EU, such as being able to be neutral in a conflict.

[SteveH]

It would be a bit much to expect to be able to revoke Article 50 given that we voted to leave...

"We" did nothing of the sort. You may have, but almost two-thirds of the electorate didn't.