Brexit - the next steps

[Roses]

You really are living in an alternative universe.

In which case so are a lot of other people who see it my way, including Labour supporters.

[SteveH]

In which case so are a lot of other people who see it my way, including Labour supporters.

Names and quotes, please. No-one accuses JC of being weak or cowardly, whatever they think of his policies.

[jeremyp]

No-one accuses JC of being weak or cowardly, whatever they think of his policies.

That's a false statement.

Little Roses does. I accuse him of incompetence, which is a way of saying he is weak. That's two counter examples already.

[Roses]

Names and quotes, please. No-one accuses JC of being weak or cowardly, whatever they think of his policies.

That is where you are so WRONG, I know of quite a number of Labour supporters who view Corbyn that way, including one of my own daughters. 

[wigginhall]

It seems odd to call Corbyn cowardly.  He has come under ferocious attacks from the media, but he seems undaunted.  Also, gets attacked by some Labour MPs, but he keeps going.

[Roses]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46366162

Brexit will make the UK worse off financially, surprise, surprise!

[jakswan]

See the Corbyn cultists unable to defend their boys economic proposition again.

If the Labour leader was almost any other I think Labour would have won last election and have stood with another referendum in its manifesto.

Corbyn has been a huge help to Brexit.

[Spud]

How do you feel now?

Rather dim.. When my geography teacher taught us about the EEC, I was thinking I wouldn't ever need to know much about it and would give up Geography as soon as possible. Now 32 years later I've just looked it up in the context of EFTA and learned that the EEC is basically what was replaced by the EU. EFTA looks ok though.

[wigginhall]

Mc'Donnell getting close to a second referendum.   Well, there isn't time.  But if May's deal is rejected, who knows.

[jeremyp]

Mc'Donnell getting close to a second referendum.   Well, there isn't time.  But if May's deal is rejected, who knows.

How long does it take to organise a referendum? I would assume it takes time to organise the printing of 40 million ballot papers, but that's probably the most time consuming job.

[wigginhall]

How long does it take to organise a referendum? I would assume it takes time to organise the printing of 40 million ballot papers, but that's probably the most time consuming job.

I thought it was 6 months, but doesn't have to be, if Parliament says so.

[jeremyp]

I thought it was 6 months, but doesn't have to be, if Parliament says so.

I would stress that I don't think there is any need for a lengthy campaign. If we are not all up to speed on the pros and cons of Brexit now, we never will be.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

The three options on the second referendum should be

No Brexit

The Deal

Economic disaster

[SteveH]

I like brexit braised in stout, with spuds, carrots and onions.


What?


Oh, sorry - I mean brisket.

[Roses]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-46380090/jacob-rees-mogg-calls-mark-carney-a-failed-second-tier-politician

I reckon Rees-Mogg was talking about his unpleasant self.

I think it is important for the Government to take on board what Carney has to say on the financial effects of Brexit on the UK economy.

[JP]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-46380090/jacob-rees-mogg-calls-mark-carney-a-failed-second-tier-politician

I reckon Rees-Mogg was talking about his unpleasant self.

I think it is important for the Government to take on board what Carney has to say on the financial effects of Brexit on the UK economy.

Carney is a liar, they are all liars.

[JP]

I see there is a pro-Brexit march planned in London on 9th December. I am sure you remember the peoples vote march not too long ago which was able to proceed without any sort of counter protest or action against it. A very peaceful march

I would guess this will not be the case on the 9th as the lefty 'activists' are organising to counter protest and disrupt. Violence beckons.

[SteveH]

I see there is a pro-Brexit march planned in London on 9th December. I am sure you remember the peoples vote march not too long ago which was able to proceed without any sort of counter protest or action against it. A very peaceful march

I would guess this will not be the case on the 9th as the lefty 'activists' are organising to counter protest and disrupt. Violence beckons.

Wrong. I was on it, and there was a counter-protest by that idiot Neil Horan and a few of his friends.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/154641658@N06/31579977438/in/album-72157702636476035/

[jeremyp]

Carney is a liar, they are all liars.

No he isn’t.

On the other hand it seems the senior Brexiteers can’t open their mouths without a stream of lies emerging. £350 million a week anybody?

[SteveH]

I see there is a pro-Brexit march planned in London on 9th December. I am sure you remember the peoples vote march not too long ago which was able to proceed without any sort of counter protest or action against it. A very peaceful march

I would guess this will not be the case on the 9th as the lefty 'activists' are organising to counter protest and disrupt. Violence beckons.

Also, whereas that march was full of mainstream, middle-of-the-road types (someone called it "the world's longest Waitrose queue"), this is organised by Tommy "ten-names" Robinson, and is really an excuse for the racist far right to show their faces. They should be resisted (peacefully, of course) wherever they appear.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I see there is a pro-Brexit march planned in London on 9th December.

That's reminded me to book tickets for the Pantomime.

[jakswan]

Some speculation yesterday on Marr that another election is possible, with May calling an Xmas election.

Tories will have to get on board and support the deal, country is sick of it so Tories could take majority....

[ProfessorDavey]

Some speculation yesterday on Marr that another election is possible, with May calling an Xmas election.

Tories will have to get on board and support the deal, country is sick of it so Tories could take majority....

Or Labour could get a majority or we could be back into minority government territory.

Whichever, a general election will solve nothing. The only vote that would finally resolve whether and/or which type of brexit should happen would be a referendum.

[Rhiannon]

Or Labour could get a majority or we could be back into minority government territory.

Whichever, a general election will solve nothing. The only vote that would finally resolve whether and/or which type of brexit should happen would be a referendum.

I agree. We don't have either of the main party with a clear position The problem with a referendum though is that if the remain vote split between accept the deal (playing safe) and staying in the result would be for no deal, unless that is kept off the ballot.

[ProfessorDavey]

I agree. We don't have either of the main party with a clear position The problem with a referendum though is that if the remain vote split between accept the deal (playing safe) and staying in the result would be for no deal, unless that is kept off the ballot.

There are a number of ways in which the referendum could be appropriately framed - the point is that all options on the ballot paper should be clear and deliverable by the government and EU - rather than the previous 'anything to anyone' Brexit option on the original referendum.

I think the fairest approach would be a primary and secondary question (this is what happened in the Scottish devolution referendum of 97). The first question would be to accept or reject May's deal. The second question would be what to do if May's deal is rejected, with remain and no deal as the two options.