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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3350 on: January 08, 2019, 07:40:34 PM »
The editorial in The Guardian, published this evening as the government lost another Brexit-related vote, is worth a read.

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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3351 on: January 08, 2019, 09:52:51 PM »
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3352 on: January 08, 2019, 10:03:34 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on January 08, 2019, 09:52:51 PM
Where's Jeremy?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46803112

Just seen it on telly: he was behind the lady standing on the left between the two blokes.

For some reason I keep thinking of the 'Where's Wally' picture books.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3353 on: January 08, 2019, 10:04:07 PM »
Doesn't this just make it easier for the govt to find excuses for failures due to lack of preparation if/when we default into a no-deal brexit?
 
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3354 on: January 08, 2019, 10:06:22 PM »
Quote from: Udayana on January 08, 2019, 10:04:07 PM
Doesn't this just make it easier for the govt to find excuses for failures due to lack of preparation if/when we default into a no-deal brexit?
So their excuse for a lack of preparation is a lack of preparation? None of this stops them preparing for anything.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3355 on: January 08, 2019, 10:16:34 PM »
Quote from: Udayana on January 08, 2019, 10:04:07 PM
Doesn't this just make it easier for the govt to find excuses for failures due to lack of preparation if/when we default into a no-deal brexit?

I think the preparation time boat has sailed now, having been tied up in port for the last two and bit years - and recent events involving ferry companies with no ferries and a few lorries on a road rather suggest that this government probably couldn't adequately prepare for getting the weekly shopping in before the milk and bread run out. 

I think the intention though was to demonstrate that there is sufficient support in Westminster to exclude a no-deal situation and of course the recent ECJ ruling that allows the UK to rescind Article 50 provides an option to prevent a no-deal Brexit: by simply stopping Brexit. However unlikely that may seems it is an option that, presumably, could be tabled and voted on if May's deal is defeated and there is no other tenable option come the end of March.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3356 on: January 09, 2019, 03:12:22 PM »
Some, more substantial, progress with passing of the Grieve amendment. However even despite this, TM can still pursue her strategy of trying to force her deal through on the threat of no-deal.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3357 on: January 10, 2019, 02:22:41 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on January 08, 2019, 09:52:51 PM
Where's Jeremy?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46803112

I've come to the conclusion that the most annoying thing about Jeremy Corbyn is that he has the same first name as me. I get irritated by questions about my political policies and then when I realise you aren't talking about me, I get ego deflation.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3358 on: January 12, 2019, 08:08:44 PM »
The Brexiteers have now started their own Project Fear:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46847169

Apparently, the Far Right will be on the rampage.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3359 on: January 12, 2019, 08:13:02 PM »
Quote from: jeremyp on January 12, 2019, 08:08:44 PM
The Brexiteers have now started their own Project Fear:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46847169

Apparently, the Far Right will be on the rampage.

As someone elsewhere pointed out the far right is on the rise across the western world. The Brexit issue may amplify that trend, but the trend was already with us.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3360 on: January 12, 2019, 10:15:02 PM »
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3361 on: January 13, 2019, 09:02:05 AM »
When listening to the news I feel I need ear protectors when the flipping word BREXIT is mentioned. At least we had a bit of a respite from it over Christmas.

I would like to rewrite history, which would not include Brexit or Trump! 
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3362 on: January 14, 2019, 05:37:10 PM »
Apparently Desmond Swayne MP had called on May to suspend parliament until April to ensure Brexit.


ETA Having heard it, it seems more of a sort of joke.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3363 on: January 14, 2019, 06:46:23 PM »
That we can't sort out a proxy voting system, and that pairing, an unofficial process, is in such disrepute is a joke though.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46868195
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3364 on: January 14, 2019, 06:49:31 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on January 14, 2019, 06:46:23 PM
That we can't sort out a proxy voting system, and that pairing, an unofficial process, is in such disrepute is a joke though.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46868195

Completely agree. Tulip Siddiq is risking her health and that of her baby because of an antiquated system.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3365 on: January 15, 2019, 08:38:37 AM »
Tulip Siddiq's baby should come before a vote, I am shocked that she has put off having the caesarean. :o
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3366 on: January 15, 2019, 12:29:58 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on January 14, 2019, 06:46:23 PM
That we can't sort out a proxy voting system, and that pairing, an unofficial process, is in such disrepute is a joke though.

... And the voting process itself is a farce - wasting 10 minutes lining up in a corridor for a head count.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3367 on: January 15, 2019, 01:48:25 PM »
Quote from: Harrowby Hall on January 15, 2019, 12:29:58 PM
... And the voting process itself is a farce - wasting 10 minutes lining up in a corridor for a head count.


Surely it could all be electronically in this day and age, so no one actually needs to be present in the Commons? 
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3368 on: January 15, 2019, 03:01:27 PM »
Still makes me gulp, that May is probably going to lose because of her own MPs.  PA predicting a loss by 160.   What then?  Corbyn proposes a MONC which will fail, so no election.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3369 on: January 15, 2019, 03:14:28 PM »
Quote from: wigginhall on January 15, 2019, 03:01:27 PM
Still makes me gulp, that May is probably going to lose because of her own MPs.  PA predicting a loss by 160.   What then?  Corbyn proposes a MONC which will fail, so no election.
And they can't challenge May internally again officially for 11 months. That said it could see a parade of cabinet ministers turning up to tell her to go, as happened to Thatcher. Even then if not May, so what? Hold the vote again until it passes out of boredom, suspend article 50, get an extension to article 50 (which needs agreement from the EU), vote for election, vote for referendum, (and both of those are predicated on an extension), or fall out with no deal. May being in charge makes no real difference.

I think an extension of Article 50 is the most likely. It gives some hope to almost all sides apart from those who want No Deal, and I don't think that's anywhere near in numbers to succeed. In addition, I think that the EU will agree since they don't want no deal either, though I wonder if some nations might see it as an opportunity for some horse trading for them.


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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3370 on: January 15, 2019, 04:02:38 PM »
Quote from: Harrowby Hall on January 15, 2019, 12:29:58 PM
... And the voting process itself is a farce - wasting 10 minutes lining up in a corridor for a head count.
Yes, there's an over love of pointless tradition.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3371 on: January 15, 2019, 08:04:59 PM »
230!
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3372 on: January 15, 2019, 08:25:49 PM »
Staggering stuff: and where do we go from here I wonder.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3373 on: January 15, 2019, 09:51:43 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on January 15, 2019, 08:04:59 PM
230!
She's certainly a record breaker....the only PM to have made Ramsay Macdonald respectable.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3374 on: January 15, 2019, 10:31:41 PM »
An extension of article 50 seems almost certain.
If there's any justice, at the next general election, the Tories will be massacred, and be out of power for a generation.
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