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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3475 on: February 13, 2019, 06:47:50 PM »
Chris Grayling???? Just what? How? Why?

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« Reply #3476 on: February 13, 2019, 07:32:32 PM »
Chris Grayling???? Just what? How? Why?
What has he done now?
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« Reply #3477 on: February 13, 2019, 07:34:49 PM »
The whole thing is beyond parody now: nobody who voted for the idea of Brexit voted for it being delivered like this: by a hapless PM whose 'red lines' are measures to pander to her Tory lunatic fringe and prevent the break-up of her party. Anyone remember much in the way of discussions about the NI border issue back in 2016? Me neither.

Hopefully the cards will fall so that there is a 2nd referendum, so that there is at least a chance this incarnation of Brexit can be euthanised.

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« Reply #3478 on: February 13, 2019, 07:37:39 PM »
The whole thing is beyond parody now: nobody who voted for the idea of Brexit voted for it being delivered like this: by a hapless PM whose 'red lines' are measures to pander to her Tory lunatic fringe and prevent the break-up of her party. Anyone remember much in the way of discussions about the NI border issue back in 2016? Me neither.

Hopefully the cards will fall so that there is a 2nd referendum, so that there is at least a chance this incarnation of Brexit can be euthanised.
I want them just to withdraw article 50 until the Brexiteers can decide amongst themselves what they really want and then when they have reached a consensus, we can have another referendum. But that will be long after my death.
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« Reply #3479 on: February 13, 2019, 08:07:09 PM »
Doom merchants, the lot of you. Give Northern Ireland to the Republic, where is belongs, and send all the bloody decenters back to Scotland where they come from.
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« Reply #3480 on: February 13, 2019, 08:34:12 PM »
What has he  done now?
I was just noting the ongoing fuck up on ferries, which he seems to be surviving, on top of all his other fuck ups as transport secretary. I have no idea what pictures or secrets he must hold over people to not be sacked given his utter utter incompetence.

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« Reply #3481 on: February 13, 2019, 09:19:30 PM »
Doom merchants, the lot of you. Give Northern Ireland to the Republic, where is belongs, and send all the bloody decenters back to Scotland where they come from.


Hard not to be a doom merchant given the utter fuck-up that is Brexit. I'm fairly sure too that there are dissenters outwith Scotland, and hope that enough of them will be MPs who act to prevent 'no deal' recognising that the current government can't be trusted since their incompetence is now impossible to ignore or forgive.

If 'no deal' is prevented by legislation and the current 'deal' founders in Westminster then the impasse might well need a 2nd referendum to resolve it. That would, for me, be preferable to a GE since the result of that might not be a resolution to the Brexit stalemate unless the Tories get a working majority (and hopefully not): if not, it seems impossible to forecast a future GE should Brexit being binned in the interim, since who knows what the fall-out might be on both the Tories and Labour parties prior to the next GE. If a 2nd referendum did return a Brexit outcome then it would obviously happen, be it 'deal' or 'no deal', and I think the break-up of the UK would follow (every cloud etc).   

I hope, like Jeremy, that Article 50 will eventually be rescinded - and if so we have the Scottish courts to thank for that option being available to us, since the Tory government tried and failed to stop the case proceeding.

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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3482 on: February 14, 2019, 06:33:42 PM »

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« Reply #3483 on: February 14, 2019, 07:12:00 PM »
Rumours on net of some story on Tory disunity about to break at 8pm

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« Reply #3484 on: February 14, 2019, 08:17:16 PM »
The Guardian has had some good opinion pieces on the Brexit pantomime recently: this on on events today.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/14/ask-the-eu-can-you-negotiate-with-people-who-are-certifiable

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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3485 on: February 14, 2019, 08:26:08 PM »

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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3486 on: February 14, 2019, 11:52:39 PM »
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Anyone remember much in the way of discussions about the NI border issue back in 2016?

Well there were a couple of chaps:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/09/tony-blair-and-john-major-brexit-would-close-irish-border
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« Reply #3487 on: February 15, 2019, 12:40:22 PM »
When I try and come up with a solution I always end up with the fact that the UK is Protestant and the rest of the European Union are either Catholic or Orthodox.
This is relevant because Protestants are opposed to the Catholic and Orthodox practice of iconography. They believe that this breaks the 2nd commandment.
Apart from that I can't see any sincere reason why the UK would leave the EU, with the hindsight I now have.

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« Reply #3488 on: February 15, 2019, 12:57:42 PM »
The whole thing is beyond parody now: nobody who voted for the idea of Brexit voted for it being delivered like this: by a hapless PM whose 'red lines' are measures to pander to her Tory lunatic fringe and prevent the break-up of her party. Anyone remember much in the way of discussions about the NI border issue back in 2016? Me neither.

Hopefully the cards will fall so that there is a 2nd referendum, so that there is at least a chance this incarnation of Brexit can be euthanised.

Truth is they should have had this covered before they went into the EU. Everything should return to how it was before we went into the EU.
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« Reply #3489 on: February 15, 2019, 01:03:06 PM »
Truth is they should have had this covered before they went into the EU. Everything should return to how it was before we went into the EU.
GOVERNMENTS FAULT... :(
Good point. I could certainly do with being 46 years younger!
 
Ah, but I was so much older then ... I'm younger than that now

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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3490 on: February 16, 2019, 10:04:05 AM »
Was looking at a quotations site earlier at those attributed to H.L Mencken and came across this one, that seems relevant to those (such as our hapless PM) who still regard the 2016 referendum about an undefined notion, as opposed to a proposed plan, as being sacrosanct and an imperative;

'Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.'

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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3491 on: February 16, 2019, 10:21:25 AM »
Doom merchants, the lot of you. Give Northern Ireland to the Republic, where is belongs, and send all the bloody decenters back to Scotland where they come from.
   



Wee point of history.
More than half the 'plantation' under James VI camefrom England.
Try to keep up, will you?
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3492 on: February 16, 2019, 11:03:57 AM »
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'Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.'

I like that. Bigly.
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« Reply #3493 on: February 16, 2019, 01:01:32 PM »
Well there were a couple of chaps:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/09/tony-blair-and-john-major-brexit-would-close-irish-border

Interesting, though only 2 weeks before the referendum and too late, probably. Notice the NI Secretary said  “The common travel area between the UK and Ireland has existed for nearly 100 years, since the creation of the Irish state in the 1920s. It will continue if we vote to leave." Ive heard this said recently in defence of a no-deal Brexit.

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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3494 on: February 17, 2019, 09:27:33 AM »
How do Brexitters feel now that billionaire brexitter sir Jim Radcliffe is leaving the U.K. Now Brexit has come....source The Times, and a UK airline is folding because of Brexit.

Do you feel misled, taken for a ride, took, buncoed?

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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #3495 on: February 18, 2019, 02:34:56 PM »

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« Reply #3496 on: February 18, 2019, 05:34:17 PM »
When I try and come up with a solution I always end up with the fact that the UK is Protestant and the rest of the European Union are either Catholic or Orthodox.
This is relevant because Protestants are opposed to the Catholic and Orthodox practice of iconography. They believe that this breaks the 2nd commandment.
Apart from that I can't see any sincere reason why the UK would leave the EU, with the hindsight I now have.
Ha ha. Most of the UK don’t give a rats arse about Christian denominations and they probably think iconography is the pretty pictures you see on an iPhone.

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« Reply #3497 on: February 18, 2019, 05:46:48 PM »
Ha ha. Most of the UK don’t give a rats arse about Christian denominations and they probably think iconography is the pretty pictures you see on an iPhone.
It's relevant to the Irish border issue though.

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« Reply #3498 on: February 19, 2019, 10:25:03 AM »
The Irish issue won't go away. Many brexiters moan about the Republic's attitude....but can we really blame Dublin, given britain's treatment of the island? It's a history thing, whether we like it or not. This is a fine article. https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2019/02/how-britain-s-dark-history-ireland-haunts-brexit?fbclid=IwAR3izr1V5gc0ix8Av1P7sCdVGBSTN1K4UIKo-5ajZqy9OhJ1TvOxlsi-D8M
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« Reply #3499 on: February 19, 2019, 10:43:27 AM »
The Irish issue won't go away. Many brexiters moan about the Republic's attitude....but can we really blame Dublin, given britain's treatment of the island? It's a history thing, whether we like it or not. This is a fine article. https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2019/02/how-britain-s-dark-history-ireland-haunts-brexit?fbclid=IwAR3izr1V5gc0ix8Av1P7sCdVGBSTN1K4UIKo-5ajZqy9OhJ1TvOxlsi-D8M

The answer's simple. Give Northern Ireland to the Republic, just as it should be. If those funny men in bowler hats who like to go marching don't like it, fuck them off.
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