Brexit - the next steps

[Aruntraveller]

Those who unwisely voted to leave the EU created the mess which May has tried unsuccessfully to sort out.

Nope. Those who unwisely offered a referendum in the first place are responsible. That would be the Conservative government.

I don't know why you continue to defend the indefensible. It is the Conservative party's fault we are in this mess. Theresa May has been at the heart of the Tory party in one form or another for many years. She is responsible in large part for this mess.

It really is no point blaming the voters. After all, if you ask a stupid question, don't be surprised that you get a stupid answer.

[Roses]

Nope. Those who unwisely offered a referendum in the first place are responsible. That would be the Conservative government.

I don't know why you continue to defend the indefensible. It is the Conservative party's fault we are in this mess. Theresa May has been at the heart of the Tory party in one form or another for many years. She is responsible in large part for this mess.

It really is no point blaming the voters. After all, if you ask a stupid question, don't be surprised that you get a stupid answer.

Labour would not have done any better, imo. I speak as one who voted for our Labour Party candidate in the last election.

[Aruntraveller]

Labour would not have done any better, imo. I speak as one who voted for our Labour Party candidate in the last election.

We will never know, but give me Starmer over Davis et al, anyday.

[Spud]

Those who unwisely voted to leave the EU created the mess which May has tried unsuccessfully to sort out.

Quite right... I've emailed my MP to explain why I voted leave and why I now think we should remain. Meanwhile, this petition to parliament is gaining about 200 signatures every 10 seconds!
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

[Roses]

Quite right... I've emailed my MP to explain why I voted leave and why I now think we should remain. Meanwhile, this petition to parliament is gaining about 300 signatures every 10 seconds!
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

Apparently the petition has crashed as so many are trying to sign it!

[jeremyp]

Quite right... I've emailed my MP to explain why I voted leave and why I now think we should remain. Meanwhile, this petition to parliament is gaining about 200 signatures every 10 seconds!
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

I managed to sign it before it crashed. At that time it was up to about 639,000 signatures.

[Roses]

I managed to sign it before it crashed. At that time it was up to about 639,000 signatures.

The petition is up and running again now, and was up to 1,000,000 signatures when I signed it.

[jeremyp]

The petition is up and running again now, and was up to 1,000,000 signatures when I signed it.

It's down again now.

[Roses]

It's down again now.

So many people are anxious to sign it, I hope the House of Commons takes note.

[Nearly Sane]

So many people are anxious to sign it, I hope the House of Commons takes note.

Of course people will say that it is a mere fraction of 17.4 million

[Nearly Sane]

So how does May get the deal approved given Bercow won't allow it to be voted on?

[Aruntraveller]

Of course people will say that it is a mere fraction of 17.4 million

Indeed. Loathsome Leadsom already has.

[Gordon]

So it is 22nd May if May gets her deal through. I suspect Bercow will allow another go on the basis that the extension date is a change that is significant, but should she fail again that will be it: I'd imagine she'd resign at that point (assuming she has any scruples left).

I doubt A50 will be rescinded any time soon, but should her deal fail again the EU will seemingly offer a longer extension but with conditions around political changes that would find agreement in the HoC and, perhaps, a GE or referendum to confirm the support of the electorate. Aside from the usual suspects in the lunatic fringe, I'd hope the HoC would ensure no deal is avoided, since for example there are already reports that teachers in Kent might have to adopt a duty or care role due to disruption/congestion in that area.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/21/kent-teachers-care-stranded-pupils-parents-traffic-disruption-no-deal-brexit

It is madness that we are a week away from this type of thing.   

[Nearly Sane]

I don't think though that the extension date is part of the legislation so Bercow is going to have to do a bit of dancing to allow the vote.

[Nearly Sane]

Petition currently running at 1,220,000

[Gordon]

It would be stunning if Bercow refused MV3 - would concentrate minds wonderfully.

[Nearly Sane]

It would be stunning if Bercow refused MV3 - would concentrate minds wonderfully.

If he does there are 2 choices. Revoke or no deal. Though if a referendum were added to the legislation then that would be new but that needs a longer extension.

I see Corbyn is out in Brussels talking about his deal. This seems quixotic given everything the EU has said.

[Gordon]

Reports now say the 22nd May has been replaced by something unspecified as yet.

[Udayana]

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I see Corbyn is out in Brussels talking about his deal. This seems quixotic given everything the EU has said.

Whatever deal he wants the WA will have to be a part of it. And indeed there is nothing stopping him approving it now except that he will have no control or influence over any longer term negotiations falling out from the political declaration. 

May has some simple things she could do (or could have done) to get her deal to pass and achieve brexit But she's not willing to dump Davis, Johnson, Mogg and the other bone heads and give Corbyn a chance to prove he can actually manage anything. Maybe he doesn't want that anyway, would rather settle for looking heroic fighting against "tory brexit" as the country goes down.

Also she has cabinet members who would prefer no-deal to a customs union.

[Nearly Sane]

Whatever deal he wants the WA will have to be a part of it. And indeed there is nothing stopping him approving it now except that he will have no control or influence over any longer term negotiations falling out from the political declaration. 

May has some simple things she could do (or could have done) to get her deal to pass and achieve brexit But she's not willing to dump Davis, Johnson, Mogg and the other bone heads and give Corbyn a chance to prove he can actually manage anything. Maybe he doesn't want that anyway, would rather settle for looking heroic fighting against "tory brexit" as the country goes down.

Also she has cabinet members who would prefer no-deal to a customs union.

The WA is the thing on the table. It isn't part of something, it is the something. The idea that this is hugely changeable as Labour 's push works, particularly given they are not in power, seems bizarre.

[Nearly Sane]

May's decision to call an election which she said she wouldn't to make it easier for the Tory party has substantially led to the disaster we face. She is a racist, incompetent liar and her speech last night was disgraceful.

[Harrowby Hall]

The petition is up and running again now, and was up to 1,000,000 signatures when I signed it.

Five minutes ago over 1,300,00.

[jeremyp]

Five minutes ago over 1,300,00.

1.8 million now.

[Udayana]

The WA is the thing on the table. It isn't part of something, it is the something. The idea that this is hugely changeable as Labour 's push works, particularly given they are not in power, seems bizarre.

If that is "the thing" why doesn't he support it and give Labour MPs a free vote? That gets a brexit rather than no deal and he can dispose of May later after her right wing turn on her (again)?
 

[Nearly Sane]

If that is "the thing" why doesn't he support it and give Labour MPs a free vote? That gets a brexit rather than no deal and he can dispose of May later after her right wing turn on her (again)?
 

No, it ends with no deal. An extension is for something. The EU have said the WA is the deal. There is not a magic new deal