Brexit - the next steps

[Robbie]

Guddle means a complete mess. It's most often used to describe the state of a room or the kitchen. It's a complete guddle – meaning the place is very untidy, so bad that you don't know where to begin with the cleaning up. Or a person might say “I'm in a right guddle.” They could mean that things are really mixed up

Scottish vernacular.

[ippy]

Guddle means a complete mess. It's most often used to describe the state of a room or the kitchen. It's a complete guddle – meaning the place is very untidy, so bad that you don't know where to begin with the cleaning up. Or a person might say “I'm in a right guddle.” They could mean that things are really mixed up

Scottish vernacular.

What about griddles? Could be griddle locked.

ippy

[wigginhall]

I thought Corbyn was trying to bring both sides along.  There are complaints about polarization, between remain and leave, but he is accused of muddle.  Eh?

[Anchorman]

Guddle means a complete mess. It's most often used to describe the state of a room or the kitchen. It's a complete guddle – meaning the place is very untidy, so bad that you don't know where to begin with the cleaning up. Or a person might say “I'm in a right guddle.” They could mean that things are really mixed up

Scottish vernacular.

   


The Brexit stramash has led to a burach.

[Spud]

This country could have introduced any number of immigration restrictions if it wanted to, as long as it didn't restrict workers moving freely around the EU.  And why would you want to do that?  As usual, the fault, if there is one, lies with UK governments, not EU law.

Flooding the country with foreign workers, as has happened, seems to me a bit like abolishing tariffs so that the market is flooded with cheap imports. Just wondering if people agree or not?

[Gordon]

Flooding the country with foreign workers, as has happened, seems to me a bit like abolishing tariffs so that the market is flooded with cheap imports. Just wondering if people agree or not?

'Flooding the country'? What are the statistics, Spud, and why is immigration a problem?

Scotland needs immigrants, and our First Minister has made it clear to EU immigrants who have already made their home here in Scotland that they are valued and are welcome. Maybe immigration, and xenophobia, are localised problems. 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/apr/05/nicola-sturgeon-tells-brexit-eu-citizens-in-scotland-you-are-welcome-here

[jeremyp]

Immigrants any immigrants, from where ever.

Yes but Brexit will only give us more control over the ones that come from the EU.

You're supposed to be trying to convince us you are not ill informed.

So I guess you don't think the UK should be selective about who comes to live here in the UK permanently.

Immigrants generally pay more taxes and use fewer resources. They are good for the country. Why would we want fewer of them?

[jeremyp]

Flooding the country with foreign workers, as has happened, seems to me a bit like abolishing tariffs so that the market is flooded with cheap imports. Just wondering if people agree or not?

All else being equal, goods will be manufactured where the labour is cheap. If you don't let the immigrants who will work for less in, the fact is, manufacturers will move their factories to where the immigrants are. Look at arch Brexiteer James Dyson for instance. There's a man whose actions speak louder than words.

[jeremyp]

Oh yes, and Thomas Cook's bankruptcy is partly the fault of Brexit. Brexiteers have 22 thousand job losses on their conscience from there alone.

[Spud]

'Flooding the country'? What are the statistics, Spud, and why is immigration a problem?

Scotland needs immigrants, and our First Minister has made it clear to EU immigrants who have already made their home here in Scotland that they are valued and are welcome. Maybe immigration, and xenophobia, are localised problems. 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/apr/05/nicola-sturgeon-tells-brexit-eu-citizens-in-scotland-you-are-welcome-here

The statistics are that many more EU nationals live in the UK than UK nationals living in the EU.
Yes, immigrants are welcome, but there could be circumstances when they cause problems for people other than the people they are benefitting. Eg a fruit farmer makes a packet out of hard working EU fruit pickers, while denying UK nationals a job. This may be "the way it is" and people have to be philosophical about it and accept it, but can we really expect those denied a job to vote for circumstances where they are denied a job because of foreign labour? Probably not.

[ProfessorDavey]

Eg a fruit farmer makes a packet out of hard working EU fruit pickers, while denying UK nationals a job.

I doubt a farmer is going to go through the hassle of recruiting workers from other countries on minimum wage jobs unless they find it impossible to fill the jobs from home grown labour. If you can get someone to take your job from just down the road, why wouldn't you. The reality is that farmer have had to source labour from the EU (or elsewhere) because british people aren't prepared to take the jobs and to do them effectively.

[Anchorman]

The statistics are that many more EU nationals live in the UK than UK nationals living in the EU.
Yes, immigrants are welcome, but there could be circumstances when they cause problems for people other than the people they are benefitting. Eg a fruit farmer makes a packet out of hard working EU fruit pickers, while denying UK nationals a job. This may be "the way it is" and people have to be philosophical about it and accept it, but can we really expect those denied a job to vote for circumstances where they are denied a job because of foreign labour? Probably not.

   




Do you KNOW anything of the situation in the Scottish fruit picking sector, Spud?
Farmers have tried to recruit local workers - paying above the 'living wage', I may add - but they cannot get enough locals, and depend on migrant workers to both plant and harvest the crop, which contributes significantly to our economy.
The same situation applies in our vital tourism sector.
A UK 'one size fits all' immigration policy might benedit some areas of England; yet why should Scotland suffer at their expene?

[Gordon]

The statistics are that many more EU nationals live in the UK than UK nationals living in the EU.
Yes, immigrants are welcome, but there could be circumstances when they cause problems for people other than the people they are benefitting. Eg a fruit farmer makes a packet out of hard working EU fruit pickers, while denying UK nationals a job. This may be "the way it is" and people have to be philosophical about it and accept it, but can we really expect those denied a job to vote for circumstances where they are denied a job because of foreign labour? Probably not.

That all sounds awfully anecdotal, Spud - what evidence do you have for all this, and in particular that UK nationals are being excluded from these low-paid seasonal jobs and also the extent to which there are sufficient UK nationals locally who are prepared to do these jobs?

[Spud]

I'm not sure my original question had been addressed.

[Spud]

That all sounds awfully anecdotal, Spud - what evidence do you have for all this, and in particular that UK nationals are being excluded from these low-paid seasonal jobs and also the extent to which there are sufficient UK nationals locally who are prepared to do these jobs?

I was excluded from apple picking having been interviewed for the regional news channel on the joys of apple picking, a few years before.
A shop where I currently work as a cleaner only has one foreign member of staff. The rest are English, and they seem keen to work.

[Spud]

I also got dumped, in 2015, by a girlfriend of 5 years who was Romanian. That was kind of the last straw really!

[Gordon]

I'm not sure my original question had been addressed.

Your original question, Spud, wasn't really a question but an anecdotal observation, to which you've now added details involving your own work experience and romantic history - I'm not convinced that your personal experience is a good indicator of the employment situation involving migrants or is a telling argument in favour of Brexit. 

[Spud]

Sorry uncle Gordon, it's been a heck of a day, in which I lost a bunch of keys. Fortunately they were found with help from above though.

[Aruntraveller]

I also got dumped, in 2015, by a girlfriend of 5 years who was Romanian. That was kind of the last straw really!

That is sad, but I'm sure even you can agree it is not relevant.

[Roses]

The Supreme Court has just ruled that the proroguing was not legal, WHEY HEY!!!!

[ProfessorDavey]

The Supreme Court has just ruled that the proroguing was not legal, WHEY HEY!!!!

11-0 - blimey even Watford don't lose that badly.

[ProfessorDavey]

The Supreme Court has just ruled that the proroguing was not legal, WHEY HEY!!!!

So Boris continually loses in Parliament, so he shuts it down ... only to be taken to court and, err, lose.

[jeremyp]

The Supreme Court has just ruled that the proroguing was not legal, WHEY HEY!!!!

I did not expect that. This is going to get interesting.

[jeremyp]

So Boris continually loses in Parliament, so he shuts it down ... only to be taken to court and, err, lose.

Has he actually won anything since becoming prime minister?

[Roses]

For misleading The Queen the PM should be taken to the Tower and OFF WITH HIS HEAD!