Brexit - the next steps

[Harrowby Hall]

Surely, his actions have put him in contempt of Parliament. He should be subject to a motion of no confidence.

[Roses]

Surely, his actions have put him in contempt of Parliament. He should be subject to a motion of no confidence.

I agree.

[Nearly Sane]

Surely, his actions have put him in contempt of Parliament. He should be subject to a motion of no confidence.

I don't think there is enough in the judgements to be found in contempt of Parliament, and even if there was honestly no clue what would happen. The VoNC needs to be in the govt to have any effect.

[jeremyp]

I wondered when, or more if this would come up and would find it fascinating to understand how you've arrived at this conclusion?

I don't really see the need to justify myself to you.

However, if you want to try to figure it out for yourself think about the following two questions:

What has Brexit done to the Sterling-Euro exchange rate?

If you were thinking of going on holiday to Europe after November, and were concerned about what the entry requirements might be for your destination, would you book the holiday now, or would you wait?

The council that controls building works in my little town is trying to build 70 odd houses in the middle of our growing towns parkland including a road splitting the park up even more than the houses, the houses are bad enough but the access road is worse because it makes the park more dangerous overall for the children in this increasingly populous area, where more parkland will be needed to accommodate the extra population.

Perhaps you could explain what the EU has to do with that? I don't see it myself.

Everything negative according to you'll be caused by leaving the EU

I've never said that.

I just thought you might be able to let me know how leaving the EU affects this parkland problem we have here? Perhaps you might be able to give me something else to argue with against the councils ideas about this contested parkland and how leaving the EU comes into the argument?

You tell me how it comes into the argument. From your description here, it seems the EU has nothing to do with your problem.

[jeremyp]

You could say then that the remainers by delaying the implementation of our  winning leave vote has made a serious dent in how our country is appreciated or not in the world's view has weakened our Pound.

Regards, ippy.

The Remainers didn't delay the implementation of Brexit. Theresa May had a deal a year ago but she couldn't get it implemented because of the No Deal Brexiteers. 

[jeremyp]

Boris is gambling on winning an election, and I think he probably would.  He just has to sit tight and waffle for a bit.

I think it will be a hung parliament.

[Aruntraveller]

The Remainers didn't delay the implementation of Brexit. Theresa May had a deal a year ago but she couldn't get it implemented because of the No Deal Brexiteers.

Including on 2 occasions one Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson. SO his suggestions, accusations against Remainers are just so much a load of bollocks that it is hard to overstate the complete bollicking bollickiness of his bolloxed position.

[Gordon]

I'd have thought that when the HoC resumes today they should pass a new bill to force Johnson to request an A50 extension immediately, and if he refuses it seems the Scottish Court of Session have the power to do it for him - it seems pointless to think that in less than 3 weeks the EU will bend over backwards to help this particular PM and failing government whose days are, hopefully, numbered.

I'd prefer to see another referendum before a GE since knowing what the electorate currently think would be useful, since I think the oft repeated mantra beloved by Brexit enthusiasts along the lines of 'the people want out now' needs to be sanity checked, and at least that way there would be a result that would inform any subsequent GE since I suspect, and hope, Brexit would be off the table, and if not then that there is still a majority support for Brexit it would have been confirmed.

No matter what it will be a can of worms.

[Nearly Sane]

Latest poll gives Lab 27, Con 27, LD 20, Brexit 17.

[Aruntraveller]

I'd have thought that when the HoC resumes today they should pass a new bill to force Johnson to request an A50 extension immediately, and if he refuses it seems the Scottish Court of Session have the power to do it for him - it seems pointless to think that in less than 3 weeks the EU will bend over backwards to help this particular PM and failing government whose days are, hopefully, numbered.

I'd prefer to see another referendum before a GE since knowing what the electorate currently think would be useful, since I think the oft repeated mantra beloved by Brexit enthusiasts along the lines of 'the people want out now' needs to be sanity checked, and at least that way there would be a result that would inform any subsequent GE since I suspect, and hope, Brexit would be off the table, and if not then that there is still a majority support for Brexit it would have been confirmed.

No matter what it will be a can of worms.

Agree with all that. Just to note that on a trawl of the news channels this morning there appears to me, at least, to be a concerted effort by those on the right: Tories, Farage, Brexit party chair to claim that "the people" want to leave, as if "the people" was one body. This is not challenged often enough by the TV presenters (I hesitate to call them journalists) - in fact I only saw one challenge to this mantra of "the people" and that on SKY for goodness sake.

[Roses]

I suspect many who voted to leave hadn't much idea what they were voting for, or were influenced by the lying siren voices, like those of Boris and Farage! A good number of leavers may have wised up to the consequences of leaving the EU, and if there was another referendum would vote remain.

[ippy]

The Remainers didn't delay the implementation of Brexit. Theresa May had a deal a year ago but she couldn't get it implemented because of the No Deal Brexiteers.

Exactly as I've been saying round and around it goes na na na na na you said he said you're a crook no you are, raspberries all around.

As long as we, the UK sticks to the result of the 2016 referendum I wont be complaining.

Regards, ippy.

[Spud]

Exactly as I've been saying round and around it goes na na na na na you said he said you're a crook no you are, raspberries all around.

As long as we, the UK sticks to the result of the 2016 referendum I wont be complaining.

Regards, ippy.

Ippy, would you accept staying in the customs union, which is necessary to avoid a hard Irish border?

[Spud]

I think I heard Geoffrey Cox initially say the supreme court has 'discovered' a legal principle; now he's saying they have 'invented/created' one.

[ippy]

Ippy, would you accept staying in the customs union, which is necessary to avoid a hard Irish border?

Nobody wants Ireland North or south to have, a, so called hard boarder, and it's not beyond the pale to engineer one unless of course you're trying to put a spanner in the works of brexit, it's what remainers do.

As far as I know we the UK are not about to declare war on the EU or have the British isles moved away from them, when we've left them to go their own sweet way have trade talks with our friends over there, the ones that want to belong to the EU actually we should be discussing trade with them now and making the necessary amicable arrangements needed for when we have left them, soon I hope.

Having trade talks when we have left the EU would remove most of the remainer spiking movement from the frame and make the negotiations far more straight forward.

Regards, ippy. P S Engineer a soft boarder I should have put do'h

[Outrider]

Nobody wants Ireland North or south to have, a, so called hard boarder, and it's not beyond the pale to engineer {a soft} one unless of course you're trying to put a spanner in the works of brexit, it's what remainers do.

Really? It's not hard? How do you easily track what's being moved over that border?  How do you ensure that the right customs duties are being placed on those goods?  How do you ensure sufficient scrutiny to ensure that the materiel being trafficked is compliant with the regulations in the country of destination?  Without implementing checks at the border?  It is 'beyond the pale' to the extent that no-one who is calling for both a soft border and regulatory disentanglement has actually suggested a viable solution, yet.

As far as I know we the UK are not about to declare war on the EU or have the British isles moved away from them, when we've left them to go their own sweet way have trade talks with our friends over there, the ones that want to belong to the EU actually we should be discussing trade with them now and making the necessary amicable arrangements needed for when we have left them, soon I hope.

And those 'trade talks' take how long?  What happens in the meantime?

Having trade talks when we have left the EU would remove most of the remainer spiking movement from the frame and make the negotiations far more straight forward.

How many times does it need to be pointed out that it wasn't 'remainers' spiking the arrangements, it was those that wouldn't implement a viable interim arrangement - leavers who wouldn't accept the trade deal on offer, which is only to be implemented until further agreements are reached.

O.

[Spud]

Nobody wants Ireland North or south to have, a, so called hard boarder, and it's not beyond the pale to engineer one unless of course you're trying to put a spanner in the works of brexit, it's what remainers do.

As far as I know we the UK are not about to declare war on the EU or have the British isles moved away from them, when we've left them to go their own sweet way have trade talks with our friends over there, the ones that want to belong to the EU actually we should be discussing trade with them now and making the necessary amicable arrangements needed for when we have left them, soon I hope.

Having trade talks when we have left the EU would remove most of the remainer spiking movement from the frame and make the negotiations far more straight forward.

Regards, ippy. P S Engineer a soft boarder I should have put do'h

Ippy, either Northern Ireland only, aligns itself with EU customs, or the whole UK does, to avoid the hard border.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the reason Remainers are against the soft border is because they see it as a poor arrangement compared to our current one. But then that would be the price we pay for ending free movement (that is, we wouldn't subsequently be free to do our own trade deals). That's what I was meaning. I think you are saying you'd be ok with it.

[Outrider]

Ippy, either Northern Ireland only, aligns itself with EU customs, or the whole UK does, to avoid the hard border.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the reason Remainers are against the soft border is because they see it as a poor arrangement compared to our current one. But then that would be the price we pay for ending free movement (that is, we wouldn't subsequently be free to do our own trade deals). That's what I was meaning. I think you are saying you'd be ok with it.

To my knowledge the problems with a soft border are not ideological, they're practical.  The EU will not accept a deal with no checks at the border if there is to be no regulatory alignment on either side, otherwise there is an uncontrolled European border - exactly the argument that led so many Leave voters to complain about membership of the EU in the first place.

O.

[Roses]

What fun they have had in the House of Commons today, each side of the house screaming abuse at the other.

[Udayana]

What fun they have had in the House of Commons today, each side of the house screaming abuse at the other.

The emission of so much hateful hot air left a bad smell and made a mockery of Lady Hales beautifully clear and reasoned statement yesterday.

[Nearly Sane]

And of  course he does


https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2019/09/boris-johnson-knows-exactly-what-hes-doing-when-he-talks-about-jo-cox-and

[Roses]

Boris is despicable!

[wigginhall]

As per NS, it is calculated by Boris, presumably part of his strategy of acting tough, I can get Brexit through, despite the moaning minnies.

[Udayana]

As per NS, it is calculated by Boris, presumably part of his strategy of acting tough, I can get Brexit through, despite the moaning minnies.

Indeed.

Well the minnies really need to get their act together and put in an interim GNU.

[Dicky Underpants]

As per NS, it is calculated by Boris, presumably part of his strategy of acting tough, I can get Brexit through, despite the moaning minnies.

I wonder just how long his bravado and bluster can last though. At the moment he's still buoyed up by support from his chum Trump and that pompous and extraordinarily brass-necked speech by the Attorney General Cox. One might have thought that Johnson and his cabinet had just been given a mild slap on the wrist rather than being defeated by seven Commons votes and their actions on the proroguing of Parliament being declared null and void by the Supreme Court of the land. Referring to calls for Johnson to resign Cox blithely joked that if he'd resigned every time he lost a case he'd never have had a career as a barrister. As if there were some comparison with this damning judgment, with which he and Boris etc "respectfully disagree". Well, there's a surprise! No doubt most criminals  disagree with the judgment that they spend time in jail. If only the Supreme Court had such powers as to lock that bugger Johnson away.
I wonder how long he'll be able to spin out his act of being the 'people's prime minister', especially after his 'humbug' remarks.