Brexit - the next steps

[ippy]

You're a coward. That's all we need to know.
You can leave the EU any time you like. Emmigrate. You will not lose any rights by us staying in the EU.
I can list off several reasons why being in the EU is good. You can't tell us any reasons why it is bad and yet you are the one getting their way.

I wouldn't think you're a coward for disagreeing with me. I think you are a coward for refusing to tell us why you disagree with me.

OK jp, I'm a coward, there, make you feel better?

Regards, ippy.

[jeremyp]

OK jp, I'm a coward, there, make you feel better?

Regards, ippy.

No, it would make me feel better if you would engage. I want to know why my country is being flushed down the toilet.

[Spud]

An EU country must have said it will veto Boris' request for an extension, so he can simultaneously say he will keep the law and that the uk leaves on Oct 31. A bluff, maybe?

[Aruntraveller]

An EU country must have said it will veto Boris' request for an extension, so he can simultaneously say he will keep the law and that the uk leaves on Oct 31. A bluff, maybe?

Current bets seem to be on Hungary, which has had a troubled relationship with the EU. They will however face enormous pressure from other EU states to adhere to the wish for a deal and an orderly (or less disorderly) Brexit.

[Nearly Sane]

An EU country must have said it will veto Boris' request for an extension, so he can simultaneously say he will keep the law and that the uk leaves on Oct 31. A bluff, maybe?

That assumes that Johnson isn't a liar. Since we know he is a liar, the logic is specious.

[ippy]

No, it would make me feel better if you would engage. I want to know why my country is being flushed down the toilet.

Like I keep on saying we're extremely unlikely to ever agree so what would be the point, I would think it obvious to you that I don't think our country is being flushed down the pan, I think after the initial, inevitable ups and downs of settling down of the act of leaving the EU well be a lot better off in the long run.

It wouldn't matter what I was to say to defend my thoughts about leaving the EU we'd be so unlikely to agree and probably would disagree till the day we die, you must be aware of this in just the same way as I am, so I elect to opt out of arguing other than the odd comment here and there.

Don't forget you've got practically the whole of the T V news the Guardian the Independent and BBC radio on your side all singing from the same prayer sheet, that must be cheering you a little.

Anyway, regards to you jp, ippy.   

[SteveH]

Like I keep on saying we're extremely unlikely to ever agree so what would be the point, I would think it obvious to you that I don't think our country is being flushed down the pan, I think after the initial, inevitable ups and downs of settling down of the act of leaving the EU well be a lot better off in the long run.

It wouldn't matter what I was to say to defend my thoughts about leaving the EU we'd be so unlikely to agree and probably would disagree till the day we die, you must be aware of this in just the same way as I am, so I elect to opt out of arguing other than the odd comment here and there.

Don't forget you've got practically the whole of the T V news the Guardian the Independent and BBC radio on your side all singing from the same prayer sheet, that must be cheering you a little.

Anyway, regards to you jp, ippy.   

And you've got the Mail, the Express, the Sun, and the Daily Telegraph, and your claim that the BBC is biased towards remain is higly debateable.
Why not put your reasons for supporting Brexit anyway, so that we at least know what they are? Otherwise, we will just have to assume that you haven't got any arguments, but won't admit it.

[ippy]

And you've got the Mail, the Express, the Sun, and the Daily Telegraph, and your claim that the BBC is biased towards remain is higly debateable.
Why not put your reasons for supporting Brexit anyway, so that we at least know what they are? Otherwise, we will just have to assume that you haven't got any arguments, but won't admit it.

You're welcome to keep on trying Steve, do you really think we're likely to find any common ground?

That's the reason why when you get something as contentious as Brexit the only way out's a vote, remain lost.

Regards, ippy.

[Stranger]

You're welcome to keep on trying Steve, do you really think we're likely to find any common ground?

If Steve is right and you actually have no arguments, then obviously not because your position is then one of emotion and faith. If, on the other hand, you do have something rational to offer, who knows?

[jeremyp]

Like I keep on saying we're extremely unlikely to ever agree so what would be the point,

Well I would stop thinking of you as being an abject coward, for one thing.

I would think it obvious to you that I don't think our country is being flushed down the pan

It's pretty far down the pan already. Never mind the economic chaos and the rampant racism, I can't see it surviving as one country for more than a few years past Brexit.

It wouldn't matter what I was to say to defend my thoughts about leaving the EU we'd be so unlikely to agree and probably would disagree till the day we die

I don't think we will. I don't know how old you are, but I think it won't take more than a year or two for it to become blindingly obvious that Brexit has been and will continue to be a disaster. Even if we do disagree forever, that's no reason not to express our views. You don't refuse to engage with creationists or Alan Burns just because they'll never agree with you.

Don't forget you've got practically the whole of the T V news the Guardian the Independent and BBC radio on your side all singing from the same prayer sheet, that must be cheering you a little.

The BBC has remained completely neutral. The right wing press, on the other hand, has been feeding us a diet of lies about the EU for 40 years.

[Harrowby Hall]

And are you looking forward to the UK trading solely under WTO rules because we shall have walked away from the largest trading block in the world? It will take years - possibly decades - for an independent UK (or what is left of it) to re-establish the trading relations it has now with the rest of the world.

Well, at least we shall not be alone. See what you can find out about Mauretania.

[ippy]

Well I would stop thinking of you as being an abject coward, for one thing.
It's pretty far down the pan already. Never mind the economic chaos and the rampant racism, I can't see it surviving as one country for more than a few years past Brexit.

I don't think we will. I don't know how old you are, but I think it won't take more than a year or two for it to become blindingly obvious that Brexit has been and will continue to be a disaster. Even if we do disagree forever, that's no reason not to express our views. You don't refuse to engage with creationists or Alan Burns just because they'll never agree with you.
The BBC has remained completely neutral. The right wing press, on the other hand, has been feeding us a diet of lies about the EU for 40 years.

I've no problem with you thinking I'm a abject coward jp I really don't mind, it's just something else we don't agree about.

Regards, ippy.

[Aruntraveller]

You just won't engage will you?

Now that is your choice, but your continuing presence here to just pop up and say "we don't agree." and "Leave won" isn't really in keeping with the aims of this place which is after all a discussion board. What you have done repeatedly is stonewall: that is not engage with the arguments.

Now I appreciate you don't want to be the "target" as you see yourself, but all people are asking is for you to justify what to them seems a ludicrous position to take.

If you don't want to engage just don't post in this thread, instead of posting in a manner which suggests you rather enjoy your little game of wind up.

[Bramble]

Like I keep on saying we're extremely unlikely to ever agree so what would be the point ...

A curious rationale on a forum like this and not one you noticeably apply to other topics.

[Robbie]

Ippy, you might feel differently if your pension goes down. I have a few years to go but out of interest I googled and there are several sites giving information about how pensions will be affected by leaving the EU.

[Aruntraveller]

For those of us who  think no deal was an option at the time of the referendum. Have a read:

https://tinyurl.com/nonodeal

[SteveH]

Nine months old, but still relevant.

[Gordon]

Nine months old, but still relevant.

Indeed it is: Brexit is lunacy, and the reasons given in this article remain valid, and of course there are now some new ones (such as the Tory party selecting a lying fuckwit as PM). 

[Dicky Underpants]

Indeed it is: Brexit is lunacy, and the reasons given in this article remain valid, and of course there are now some new ones (such as the Tory party selecting a lying fuckwit as PM).

But you're forgetting the oh-so insightful comments of Andrea Leadsom at Conference:

"He has the pizzazz and personality to get Brexit over the line, doesn’t he?”


As the Irish premier Leo Varadkar commented : "Optimism is not a policy"

But of course, being a lying cunt doesn't help either.



As a humorous aside, we had Boris' dad being interviewed by Andrew Garmston on Bristol's local Sunday Politics.

"At Christmas, the politically divided family leave all that aside, and sit round the table for their roast turkey. And I say: "Okay chaps, is it going to be breast or thigh?"

I wonder what Boris' answer would be?

[ippy]

Ippy, you might feel differently if your pension goes down. I have a few years to go but out of interest I googled and there are several sites giving information about how pensions will be affected by leaving the EU.

If it's certain that your pension is either going down or just going down in  purchasing power if we manage to leave the EU, where can I look to see conformation for this?

Regards, ippy.

[Roses]

It looks as if Boris is determined not to get any sort of deal.

[Aruntraveller]

It looks as if Boris is determined not to get any sort of deal.

Not Johnson - Cummings.

[Roses]

Not Johnson - Cummings.

They are singing from the same hymn sheet.

[Aruntraveller]

They are singing from the same hymn sheet.

Cummings composed the hymn. Johnson's just singing along.

On the issue of referring to Johnson as Boris, I was reading an article this morning that suggests we don't fall into this trap. The trap being that referring to him by his chosen name makes him sound all nice and cuddly. It was always Mrs May, Mr Cameron or David Cameron, but never just their first name.

So Johnson, Mr Johnson, Boris Johnson - or as a last resort Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson. Or lying wanker.

[Roses]

Cummings composed the hymn. Johnson's just singing along.

On the issue of referring to Johnson as Boris, I was reading an article this morning that suggests we don't fall into this trap. The trap being that referring to him by his chosen name makes him sound all nice and cuddly. It was always Mrs May, Mr Cameron or David Cameron, but never just their first name.

So Johnson, Mr Johnson, Boris Johnson - or as a last resort Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson. Or lying wanker.

I shall continue to call the PM, Boris, just as I referred to Thatcher as Maggie.