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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #4925 on: October 08, 2019, 02:14:47 PM »
I shall continue to call the PM, Boris, just as I referred to Thatcher as Maggie.

I think that just proves the point.
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« Reply #4926 on: October 08, 2019, 02:20:58 PM »
I think that just proves the point.

To you maybe, not to me. ::)
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« Reply #4927 on: October 08, 2019, 02:30:14 PM »
I just think it is wise to ask ourselves why the media will quite frequently refer to "Boris" and equally frequently refer to "Corbyn". You may not see a connection but I do.
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« Reply #4928 on: October 08, 2019, 02:37:24 PM »
I just think it is wise to ask ourselves why the media will quite frequently refer to "Boris" and equally frequently refer to "Corbyn". You may not see a connection but I do.

I really don't care. If BORIS has his way I am of the opinion that Brexit will be very harmful to the UK if it goes ahead, that is much more important than whether the PM is called by his first name or surname.
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« Reply #4929 on: October 08, 2019, 02:51:14 PM »
I really don't care. If BORIS has his way I am of the opinion that Brexit will be very harmful to the UK if it goes ahead, that is much more important than whether the PM is called by his first name or surname.

I don't disagree. But, by calling him Boris you are in some way humanising him, making him more acceptable. I was involved in a conversation recently about Brexit, where the majority were leavers (the South Coast around Worthing is like that I've found out) and one guy actually seriously said "we'll be alright, Boris will sort it out" I did a double take trying to work out if he was being ironic. He wasn't. To expand on my earlier remarks -  "Boris" is a persona that Johnson has cultivated over the years to make himself a lovable tousle- haired rogue, rather than the dangerous politician he actually is.
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« Reply #4930 on: October 08, 2019, 03:12:49 PM »
I suppose they're using the ancient tactic of presenting proposals which they know are unacceptable to the EU.   Then they can say the EU are inflexible and intransigent, and the devout Brexiters will believe this.  True faith.
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« Reply #4931 on: October 08, 2019, 03:20:59 PM »
I know I post a lot of stuff from the "Wee Ginger Dug", but today's offering is very much to the point, given today's shenanigans. (Oh, and there's reference to a Christian book as well....) https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2019/10/08/quo-vadis/
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #4932 on: October 08, 2019, 03:25:33 PM »
I suppose they're using the ancient tactic of presenting proposals which they know are unacceptable to the EU.   Then they can say the EU are inflexible and intransigent, and the devout Brexiters will believe this.  True faith.

I agree.
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« Reply #4933 on: October 08, 2019, 03:32:49 PM »
I suppose they're using the ancient tactic of presenting proposals which they know are unacceptable to the EU.   Then they can say the EU are inflexible and intransigent, and the devout Brexiters will believe this.  True faith.
It seems to be out of lack of ideas though rather than ideology

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« Reply #4934 on: October 08, 2019, 04:02:13 PM »
I don't disagree. But, by calling him Boris you are in some way humanising him, making him more acceptable. I was involved in a conversation recently about Brexit, where the majority were leavers (the South Coast around Worthing is like that I've found out) and one guy actually seriously said "we'll be alright, Boris will sort it out" I did a double take trying to work out if he was being ironic. He wasn't. To expand on my earlier remarks -  "Boris" is a persona that Johnson has cultivated over the years to make himself a lovable tousle- haired rogue, rather than the dangerous politician he actually is.

Yep - calling Johnson 'Boris' is like bumping into Daniel Craig and calling him 'Mr Bond'.

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« Reply #4935 on: October 08, 2019, 04:41:01 PM »
I suppose they're using the ancient tactic of presenting proposals which they know are unacceptable to the EU.   Then they can say the EU are inflexible and intransigent, and the devout Brexiters will believe this.  True faith.

The astonishing thing is that this is so blatant that no one who is not completely intellectually challenged can see it. I don't think every Brexiteer is completely thick, but the intransigence of many of the leave camp seems to have left them an easy prey to any devious tactic that Johnson and his cronies employ.

I've previously referred to the astonishing brass-neck of the leaders of the Brexit campaign, which leads them to blithely try to use any tactic to achieve their goal, no matter how weak their position must now seem to any objective analysis (of course, they're counting on the weakness and division of the opposition). I'm sure Johnson doesn't fully believe in the political stance he is taking, nor Stephen Barclay. Perhaps Rees-Mogg might just, lost in his dreams of Britain's glory days, and cosseted from any financial hardship while he, no doubt, has his anonymous accountants looking after his overseas investments.
As for that obnoxious windbag Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General - he wouldn't know what the truth was if it jumped up and bit him on his fat arse.
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« Reply #4936 on: October 08, 2019, 04:42:37 PM »
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As for that obnoxious windbag Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General - he wouldn't know what the truth was if it jumped up and bit him on his fat arse.

You really must try to say what you mean more plainly ;D
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« Reply #4937 on: October 08, 2019, 04:57:37 PM »
You really must try to say what you mean more plainly ;D


Have you seen the following hilarious article by John Crace of the Guardian re. Geoffrey Cox's opening speech after Parliament re-convened?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/25/incredible-sulks-anger-is-followed-by-ranting-of-geoffrey-cox
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« Reply #4940 on: October 08, 2019, 05:41:28 PM »
And Leave.EU show their racism again

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-leave-eu-angela-merkel-latest-xenophobic-arron-banks-a9147551.html

As LR rightly says, disgusting. But also, so much more than that.

By which I mean that is not an isolated person making an isolated statement. It does represent quite a sizeable minority within the country who somehow think that "winning" WW2; with the help of let's see now, the USA, Canada, India, USSR, Australia, resistance movements across Europe.....well you get my drift no doubt; allows us to consider ourselves special in some way. The narrative of "we won the war", "2 World Wars and 1 world cup" is deep in our national psyche and it is a destructive and perverse narrative and should be resisted.

We aren't special, at least no more special than any other nation state, and our leaders foolhardiness in pursuing No deal will show us in a fairly short space of time just how not special we are.
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« Reply #4941 on: October 08, 2019, 05:53:11 PM »
I've just turned off the PM programme - I can't stand any more. Anonymous briefings from No. 10 - presumably that vicious, unpleasant Cummins person is behind it. The appalling lack of decent diplomacy is , well, just that - appalling.
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« Reply #4942 on: October 08, 2019, 06:12:53 PM »
As LR rightly says, disgusting. But also, so much more than that.

By which I mean that is not an isolated person making an isolated statement. It does represent quite a sizeable minority within the country who somehow think that "winning" WW2; with the help of let's see now, the USA, Canada, India, USSR, Australia, resistance movements across Europe.....well you get my drift no doubt; allows us to consider ourselves special in some way. The narrative of "we won the war", "2 World Wars and 1 world cup" is deep in our national psyche and it is a destructive and perverse narrative and should be resisted.

We aren't special, at least no more special than any other nation state, and our leaders foolhardiness in pursuing No deal will show us in a fairly short space of time just how not special we are.

I agree with you.
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« Reply #4943 on: October 09, 2019, 11:35:44 AM »
Will be odd being glued to parliament TV on a Saturday


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49984367

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« Reply #4944 on: October 09, 2019, 11:37:50 AM »
As LR rightly says, disgusting. But also, so much more than that.

By which I mean that is not an isolated person making an isolated statement. It does represent quite a sizeable minority within the country who somehow think that "winning" WW2; with the help of let's see now, the USA, Canada, India, USSR, Australia, resistance movements across Europe.....well you get my drift no doubt; allows us to consider ourselves special in some way. The narrative of "we won the war", "2 World Wars and 1 world cup" is deep in our national psyche and it is a destructive and perverse narrative and should be resisted.

We aren't special, at least no more special than any other nation state, and our leaders foolhardiness in pursuing No deal will show us in a fairly short space of time just how not special we are.
They have apologised but it's one of those not really an apology apologies

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/leaveeu-campaign-apologises-over-tweet-calling-merkel-a-kraut-and-invoking-world-war/ar-AAIuCXT?ocid=ientp

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« Reply #4945 on: October 09, 2019, 01:20:03 PM »
I just think it is wise to ask ourselves why the media will quite frequently refer to "Boris" and equally frequently refer to "Corbyn". You may not see a connection but I do.
boris is easier to write than Johnson.
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« Reply #4946 on: October 09, 2019, 01:22:42 PM »
Yep - calling Johnson 'Boris' is like bumping into Daniel Craig and calling him 'Mr Bond'.
No it isn’t, it’s like calling him Daniel which is his name and Boris is Johnson’s name.
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« Reply #4947 on: October 09, 2019, 01:28:19 PM »
As LR rightly says, disgusting. But also, so much more than that.

By which I mean that is not an isolated person making an isolated statement. It does represent quite a sizeable minority within the country who somehow think that "winning" WW2; with the help of let's see now, the USA, Canada, India, USSR, Australia, resistance movements across Europe.....well you get my drift no doubt; allows us to consider ourselves special in some way. The narrative of "we won the war", "2 World Wars and 1 world cup" is deep in our national psyche and it is a destructive and perverse narrative and should be resisted.

We aren't special, at least no more special than any other nation state, and our leaders foolhardiness in pursuing No deal will show us in a fairly short space of time just how not special we are.

It’s ironic but the only reason we joined in either world war at great cost to the nation and millions of people was because we refused to turn our backs on our European allies. In a way it’s good that nearly everybody involved is dead because we’ve turned a nation that they thought worth dying for into a xenophobic shithole.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #4948 on: October 09, 2019, 01:39:51 PM »
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Boris is Johnson’s name.

Well - yes & no. Alexander Boris etc.
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« Reply #4949 on: October 09, 2019, 01:45:05 PM »
Well - yes & no. Alexander Boris etc.
Is there an alternative universe where the person we call Boris is referred to as Sandy Johnson?