Brexit - the next steps

[jeremyp]

I think spin is based on dishonesty. So I see these as effectively equivalent.

Brextremist is merely a contraction of Brexit and extremist. There's nothing dishonest about it. A "clean break" is a dishonest way of portraying a no deal Brexit, which will be anything but clean.

[SteveH]

So people can't just disagree with you?

By all means disagree with me if you've got good reason to, but if you've run out of reasons and facts to support your position, and are continuing to disagree just for the hell of it, as you seem to be doing, it gets a bit annoying.

[SteveH]

The book of Revelation is notorious for being interpreted by those with overactive imaginations to supposedly predict modern day events. It wouldn't surprise me if someone has found a verse in that crazy tome, which they reckon relates to Brexit.

You just can't help yourself, can you? You have to bring your obsessive anti-religious beliefs into absolutely every discussion, however irrelevant. Have you come across any fundies claiming that Brexit has been predicted in the Bible? Thought not.

[wigginhall]

I think there are claims of Biblical prophecies about Brexit.  Too late now, will dig some up tomorrow.

[Nearly Sane]

By all means disagree with me if you've got good reason to, but if you've run out of reasons and facts to support your position, and are continuing to disagree just for the hell of it, as you seem to be doing, it gets a bit annoying.

Evasion noted.

[Nearly Sane]

Brextremist is merely a contraction of Brexit and extremist. There's nothing dishonest about it. A "clean break" is a dishonest way of portraying a no deal Brexit, which will be anything but clean.

Keep telling yourself that.

[Nearly Sane]

You just can't help yourself, can you? You have to bring your obsessive anti-religious beliefs into absolutely every discussion, however irrelevant. Have you come across any fundies claiming that Brexit has been predicted in the Bible? Thought not.

Take it you didn't read the reply to LR? Thought not.

[Stranger]

I think spin is based on dishonesty. So I see these as effectively equivalent.

Except that they quite obviously aren't. One has the potential to actually mislead, whereas the other is just name-calling. Classifying them both as spin doesn't mean that they are equivalent.

[Nearly Sane]

Except that they quite obviously aren't. One has the potential to actually mislead, whereas the other is just name-calling. Classifying them both as spin doesn't mean that they are equivalent.

They are both quite obviously to me attempts to mislead. The name calling by othering the opposition in an incorrect way.

[Stranger]

They are both quite obviously to me attempts to mislead. The name calling by othering the opposition in an incorrect way.

How does Brextremist or remoaner mislead anybody?

[Nearly Sane]

How does Brextremist or remoaner mislead anybody?

  By the idea that everyone supporting Brexit is an extremist.

[Stranger]

  By the idea that everyone supporting Brexit is an extremist.

Which can either be read as a political opinion or just an insult. It doesn't compare with calling a complicated mess, that will just be the start of a process of resolving an issue, a "clean break".

[Nearly Sane]

Which can either be read as a political opinion or just an insult. It doesn't compare with calling a complicated mess, that will just be the start of a process of resolving an issue, a "clean break".

Or a deliberate attempt to other a side you don't agree with with a smear.

[Stranger]

Or a deliberate attempt to other a side you don't agree with with a smear.

Well of course an insult is an attempt to other someone, but it still isn't an attempt to mislead. It really isn't even a smear, since that generally involves false accusations (extremist being a matter of opinion).

[SteveH]

How does Brextremist or remoaner mislead anybody?

They don't - he's just being a silly little troll. In the context of my post, "brextremist" isn't even derogatory (though I certnly intended it to be). I was talking about brexiters who are not merely prepared for, but positively want, a no-deal exit. That's an extreme position. Moderate brexiters want us to leave with a deal. "Bextremist" is simply a contraction of "brexit extremist".

[ippy]

These last few post are as good an example I've seen showing just how far apart the two sides of this brexit argument still are, I just like the remainers wont be changing my mind anytime soon.

I don't see anything wrong with remainers complaining, it's the stand taken against the democratic process by various remainers that's so wrong, the reasons for wanting to remain are irrelevant, remain plane and simple lost the vote.

I look forward to perhaps having proportional representation when we've finally left which'll hopefully give us the opportunity to get a bit nearer to having representatives that really do represent us in parliament.

I'm sure it's going to be much better than how I have to vote at present voting for the person that is most likely to implement the winning sides preference rather than voting for someone that I'm not that keen on voting for just to get out.   

Regards, ippy.

[jeremyp]

Keep telling yourself that.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

[jeremyp]

  By the idea that everyone supporting Brexit is an extremist.

Brextremist doesn't convey the idea that everybody supporting Brexit is an extremist any more than Brexit extremist does.

[jeremyp]

These last few post are as good an example I've seen showing just how far apart the two sides of this brexit argument still are, I just like the remainers wont be changing my mind anytime soon.

That's true but mainly because the Brexiteers don't seem to be prepared to tell us how we will be better off after Brexit. You won't change anybody's mind by refusing to engage.

[ippy]

I don't think we need trouble ourselves unduly with Liddle, ippy: you might find this review of his book interesting, and here is a quote from the review that gives an indication of why you should be wary of the likes of Liddle.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/jul/17/great-betrayal-rod-liddle-brexit-review

I wonder who wrote that review a brexiteer or a remainer, what do you think Gordon? I would be inclined to think it's a no brainer answer to that one.

Regards, ippy.

[ippy]

That's true but mainly because the Brexiteers don't seem to be prepared to tell us how we will be better off after Brexit. You won't change anybody's mind by refusing to engage.

You're right!

Regards, ippy.

[Nearly Sane]

They don't - he's just being a silly little troll. In the context of my post, "brextremist" isn't even derogatory (though I certnly intended it to be). I was talking about brexiters who are not merely prepared for, but positively want, a no-deal exit. That's an extreme position. Moderate brexiters want us to leave with a deal. "Bextremist" is simply a contraction of "brexit extremist".

You seem to be back in your position that someone disagreeing with must be doing it just to wind you up. Indeed it seems to be what motivated  your annoyance with people using the words clean break.

[Stranger]

These last few post are as good an example I've seen showing just how far apart the two sides of this brexit argument still are, I just like the remainers wont be changing my mind anytime soon.

I don't see anything wrong with remainers complaining, it's the stand taken against the democratic process by various remainers that's so wrong, the reasons for wanting to remain are irrelevant, remain plane and simple lost the vote.

You don't seem to want to even listen to the arguments, let alone actually address them, you can't give any rational reason for your views, and don't seem to care about who might get hurt as a result of your cult's actions. Just like the religious people you so often criticise.

 

[Nearly Sane]

These last few post are as good an example I've seen showing just how far apart the two sides of this brexit argument still are, I just like the remainers wont be changing my mind anytime soon.

In what way do the last few posts show that?

[ProfessorDavey]

I don't see anything wrong with remainers complaining, it's the stand taken against the democratic process by various remainers that's so wrong, the reasons for wanting to remain are irrelevant, remain plane and simple lost the vote.

In an advisory referendum nigh on 3 and a half years ago with a brexit which wasn't defined.

Ippy - are you sure there is a popular mandate for either no deal or May's deal or Boris' deal (if that ever appears). Are you sure that were any of those three were clearly stated as the brexit option in 2016 that they'd have beaten remain (frankly I doubt it). Are you sure that any of those three would beat remain now? If not then you are foisting the most significant decision on the UK in generations without being clear that it is the 'will of the people' - how can that be democratic?