Brexit - the next steps

[Anchorman]

All of the main parties gave solemn promises to enact the result of the referendum whichever way it went with no indication of how these Machiavellian remain tendencies would click in to place if we voted for their idea of the wrong way and you think Boris is underhand.

Just to repeat I'm no particular fan of Boris.

I'm more inclined to think of remainers as they've just got it wrong about leaving the EU and I'll reserve any abusive language in that direction as long as remainers aren't having any luck reversing the result of the 2016 referendum.

Regards, ippy.

   


Would those be the 'main parties' which promised that the only way Scotland could remain in the EU was as part of the UK....
Aye, right.

[Gordon]

All of the main parties gave solemn promises to enact the result of the referendum whichever way it went with no indication of how these Machiavellian remain tendencies would click in to place if we voted for their idea of the wrong way and you think Boris is underhand.

The main party here is Scotland didn't.

[ippy]

The main party here is Scotland didn't.

As I understand it the referendum to leave or remain in the EU was for the UK as a whole.

Regards, ippy.

[Gordon]

As I understand it the referendum to leave or remain in the EU was for the UK as a whole.

Regards, ippy.

So it was - but 2 of the 4 nations voted remain, so I'm sure you will appreciate that statements along the lines of 'the people want Brexit done' are utter nonsense: unless 'the people' is a term that applies only to leave voters, who proportionately less prevalent here in Scotland.

On the bright side though, if Brexit does happen it will aid the breakup of the UK.

[Nearly Sane]

So the possibility is that if the timetable is defeated, then the govt pulls the bill, and asks for an extension to have a General Election and then goes on strike till the other parties agree to it being held either via a 2/3 vote or a vote of no confidence.

[Roses]

So the possibility is that if the timetable is defeated, then the govt pulls the bill, and asks for an extension to have a General Election and then goes on strike till the other parties agree to it being held either via a 2/3 vote or a vote of no confidence.

It is disgusting the way Boris and his ministers are behaving. 

[Nearly Sane]

Peter Oborne is always worth a read.


https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/british-journalists-have-become-part-of-johnsons-fake-news-machine/

[Nearly Sane]

And this is from Prof K A Armstrong, European Law, Sidney Sussex, Cambridge as an attempted summary of some of the import of the bill - but some MPs think it isn't worth reading never mind understanding (though the second may be me wanting the noon on a stick)


https://brexittime.com/2019/10/22/reincarnation-and-resurrection-the-afterlife-of-the-european-communities-act-1972-in-the-withdrawal-bill/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

[Nearly Sane]

One of those odd times when I find myself in agreement with the DUP, the members of the ERG have in the main shafted them.

[Nearly Sane]

CON: 37% (+6) LAB: 24% (-4) LDEM: 19% (+2) BREX: 11% (-2) via

@DeltapollUK

, 18 - 21 Oct

[Anchorman]

 Hmmmm.....has Johnson discovered Schrödinger's ditch?

[Gordon]

John Crace, in good form.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2019/oct/22/boris-johnson-die-in-a-ditch-brexit-timetable-dead-from-a-glitch

[ProfessorDavey]

Hmmmm.....has Johnson discovered Schrödinger's ditch?

It's not 31st Oct yet.

I suspect Boris' next ploy will be to bring in a bill that reduces October to 30 days and adds an extra day onto November in mitigation.

[Roses]

It's not 31st Oct yet.

I suspect Boris' next ploy will be to bring in a bill that reduces October to 30 days and adds an extra day onto November in mitigation.

Nothing would surprise me where Boris is concerned!

[Nearly Sane]

So at the meeting of Corbyn and Johnson today, there was apparently 'no meeting of minds' - the jokes just write themselves

[Roses]

So at the meeting of Corbyn and Johnson today, there was apparently 'no meeting of minds' - the jokes just write themselves

Surely nobody expect anything else.

[jeremyp]

with all of the freshly recovered freedoms and independence from the EU will give us.

What extra freedoms can I expect from Brexit? As far as I can see, the only freedoms involved are my ability to travel and work in the EU which will be curtailed.

[Nearly Sane]

What extra freedoms can I expect from Brexit? As far as I can see, the only freedoms involved are my ability to travel and work in the EU which will be curtailed.

Being able to bend bananas, have pounds and ounces, and sell fireworks to blind three year olds

[jeremyp]

So it was - but 2 of the 4 nations voted remain,

Nations had no vote. People voted.

That said, it is a nonsense to say the SNP couldn't have an opinion on Brexit just because it was a UK wide vote.

I'm sure you will appreciate that statements along the lines of 'the people want Brexit done' are utter nonsense: unless 'the people' is a term that applies only to leave voters

Which is exactly what Brexiteers mean by "The People".

On the bright side though, if Brexit does happen it will aid the breakup of the UK.

I think you are right that it will lead to the destruction of the UK, but it is not a bright side. You've seen at first hand the kind of chaos that occurs when a country leaves a fairly loose union that it has been in for 45 years. Can you image how much worse it is going to be to extract Scotland from the UK?

[jeremyp]

Being able to bend bananas,

That was a lie invented by a young reporter for the Daily Telegraph, a certain Mr Johnson.

have pounds and ounces

Why would anybody want them back? As long as you can say "ten pints of Best" to the barman or "I would walk 500 miles and I would walk 500 more" to your girlfriend without getting arrested, everybody will be happy with metric.

and sell fireworks to blind three year olds

You got me on that one.

[Nearly Sane]

This is obviously the way for Labour to win. Not Ian Murray's biggest fan but he isn't the problem.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-50146805

[Aruntraveller]

This is obviously the way for Labour to win. Not Ian Murray's biggest fan but he isn't the problem.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-50146805

Leaving aside the obvious hypocrisy involved, this seems part of a much wider malaise in British (maybe English) politics where if you don't agree with the leaders you are out.

So the Tories are being whittled down or coerced into being swivel eyed, free market Brexit supporting, denying the evidence of your own commissioned reports zombies.

Meanwhile Labour seems to want to create some mystical version of the Labour party that they think is from it's own past but which never actually existed.

[Roses]

British politics are in a terrible mess.

[Nearly Sane]

I can see why there might be division in the Tories over the timing of an election - given the bill passed its second reading, then it may well be able to get through but they can't be sure of what amendments might be successful. However, going direct to an election, if they can manage to call one, will give strength to the Brexit party and may mean that we are back with similar numbers and not much moved on.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50162009

[Udayana]

I can see why there might be division in the Tories over the timing of an election - given the bill passed its second reading, then it may well be able to get through but they can't be sure of what amendments might be successful. However, going direct to an election, if they can manage to call one, will give strength to the Brexit party and may mean that we are back with similar numbers and not much moved on.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50162009

Where you say "Tories" I think we can take it as "Cummings"; the rest will rationalise and repeat whatever he tells them to say.