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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #5325 on: October 29, 2019, 09:03:18 PM »
Have to laugh at Johnson's 'come together to get Brexit done' quote this evening: perhaps if, hopefully, there are no Tory MPs left in Scotland on the 13th December he might realise that not all us want to 'come together to get Brexit done'.

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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #5326 on: October 29, 2019, 09:10:15 PM »
Of course it means the result will be known on Friday the 13th

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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #5327 on: October 29, 2019, 09:11:20 PM »
Of course it means the result will be known on Friday the 13th

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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #5328 on: October 30, 2019, 08:32:18 AM »
So, Westminster shuts up shop on fifth November.....
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #5329 on: October 30, 2019, 08:57:14 AM »
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #5330 on: October 30, 2019, 08:59:16 AM »
So looking forward to the debates about the leaders debates, and the debates themselves are just such things of joy, and fit so well into our democratic system that I may have to dance a little jig of excitement.


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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #5332 on: October 30, 2019, 01:01:01 PM »
So if PMQs is to be believed, and yes I know that is a big if, then Bercow will turn into a pumpkin after tomorrow.

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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #5333 on: October 30, 2019, 01:26:51 PM »
So farewell Ken Clarke

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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #5334 on: October 30, 2019, 01:29:45 PM »
"for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #5335 on: October 30, 2019, 01:57:54 PM »
So farewell Ken Clarke

Clarke is one of the good guys imo. Amber Rudd is also not standing at the next election, as well as quite a few others.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #5336 on: October 30, 2019, 04:11:52 PM »
Both Clarke and Rudd supported policies in terms of looking at ability to work that killed. Rudd suggested a register of foreign workers.


Anyway to nip back to an earlier part of the discussion on tactical voting. There is an effort coming from some on the unionist side in Scotland to have a tactical vote against the SNP. The idea that this is a simple Brexit election is not going to hold and that ruins the idea of efficient tactical voting.

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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #5337 on: October 31, 2019, 07:37:59 AM »
Anyway to nip back to an earlier part of the discussion on tactical voting. There is an effort coming from some on the unionist side in Scotland to have a tactical vote against the SNP. The idea that this is a simple Brexit election is not going to hold and that ruins the idea of efficient tactical voting.

Don't see how in ruins the idea of tactical voting. Even if it does turn out to be less of a Brexit election, a lot of people don't want another Tory government for many other reasons, especially one run by Bois the Lair.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #5338 on: October 31, 2019, 09:40:05 AM »
Don't see how in ruins the idea of tactical voting. Even if it does turn out to be less of a Brexit election, a lot of people don't want another Tory government for many other reasons, especially one run by Bois the Lair.
I was talking about 'efficient tactical voting'. If as I suspect Farage makes an arrangement with Johnson, the leave vote will be fairly solid. The differing stances on Remain, or indeed whatever we can call Labour's position, will make this harder unless there is a clear lead from the parties themselves, I don't think that is going to happen.

To take an example, a friend of mine lives in Rees-Moggs constituency and was wondering about who to vote for to get him out - now it's problematic because last time Rees-Mogg got 54%, Labour34%, LD 8%, Green 2% - so Mogg just needs to get the same vote - but there is meant to be a Brexit candidate standing so you think on that basis all get behind Labour, except there has actually been an opinion poll done in the constituency (Which won't be the case in all constituencies) and that gives Tories 44%, so in theory beatable, Labour 14% !!!, LDs 28%, Brexit 7%, Green 3%. So if there wasn't an opinion poll, the obvious vote would have been Labour tactically but that isn't the case once you see the poll. Even when you see the poll and decide to vote LD, then is there much chance of Labour voters all going to the LDs without them actually standing down? There are many Labour voters I know who would see the LDs as just yellow Tories after the coalition and will never vote for them.

And all that's not even taking into account that a good number of Labour voters are leave.

I strongly suspect there will be no Brexit candidate in this constituency
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #5339 on: October 31, 2019, 01:30:42 PM »
The EU has agreed that the UK can stay in the EU until the January 31st, if necessary. Hopefully there will be another referendum and sense will prevail ditching Brexit.
I'd prefer it if Article 50 was just cancelled without another referendum, which could happen perfectly democratically if a party put that in its manifesto and got elected to government. That's how we do things in this country; referendums are a thoroughly bad idea, and I hope there will be no more, on any issue, in my lifetime.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #5340 on: October 31, 2019, 01:44:25 PM »
I'd prefer it if Article 50 was just cancelled without another referendum, which could happen perfectly democratically if a party put that in its manifesto and got elected to government. That's how we do things in this country; referendums are a thoroughly bad idea, and I hope there will be no more, on any issue, in my lifetime.

Whilst I would be all for that idea, I don't think it would be very popular.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #5341 on: November 02, 2019, 11:35:58 AM »
Don't see how in ruins the idea of tactical voting. Even if it does turn out to be less of a Brexit election, a lot of people don't want another Tory government for many other reasons, especially one run by Bois the Lair.

I'll go along with you about not wanting another Tory government but if it's the price to pay for leaving so be it, I've not yet made up my mind whether the brexit party or the Tories are the best bet for leaving I'll be hanging on for a while on that one.

Outside of their leave resolve I'm not that keen on either one of them the Tories, the Brexit Party or any of the others none of them could be classified as inspiring to my mind.

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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #5342 on: November 02, 2019, 11:41:33 AM »
Whilst I would be all for that idea, I don't think it would be very popular.
No outcome will be popular LR - perhaps the best would be the least unpopular outcome. Not quite sure what that is, but polls asking preferred outcome between remain, leave with Boris' deal or leave with no deal typically show remain most preferred with the other 2 neck and neck.


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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #5344 on: November 02, 2019, 07:21:27 PM »
I'll go along with you about not wanting another Tory government but if it's the price to pay for leaving so be it,
You seem to be very keen on paying prices. Please tell us what we are getting for this price you are happy for me to pay.

The fact is that you clearly don't know what we are getting for this price and you and your stupid ignorant cohorts are going to drive this country ti destruction for something you cannot even articulate.

I absolutely despise this. I'd have some respect for you if you weren't such a fucking coward.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #5345 on: November 02, 2019, 08:50:01 PM »
You seem to be very keen on paying prices. Please tell us what we are getting for this price you are happy for me to pay.

The fact is that you clearly don't know what we are getting for this price and you and your stupid ignorant cohorts are going to drive this country ti destruction for something you cannot even articulate.

I absolutely despise this. I'd have some respect for you if you weren't such a fucking coward.
jezza

I think you need to learn to control your emotions mate .
Spouting off like that in some of the pubs I get in would likely lead to you waking up in hospital

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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #5346 on: November 03, 2019, 08:37:56 AM »
jezza

I think you need to learn to control your emotions mate .
Spouting off like that in some of the pubs I get in would likely lead to you waking up in hospital

Just saying 👍

What lovely company you keep! >:(
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #5347 on: November 03, 2019, 09:16:55 AM »
What lovely company you keep! >:(
do you actually know what a pub is?

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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #5348 on: November 03, 2019, 10:51:40 AM »
jezza

I think you need to learn to control your emotions mate .
Spouting off like that in some of the pubs I get in would likely lead to you waking up in hospital

Just saying 👍

I think Brexit is inevitable unless the Tories somehow manage to screw up the general election, but still nobody will tell me what the real benefits of leaving the EU are. I'm am really angry about it.
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Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Reply #5349 on: November 03, 2019, 11:09:05 AM »
I think Brexit is inevitable unless the Tories somehow manage to screw up the general election, but still nobody will tell me what the real benefits of leaving the EU are. I'm am really angry about it.

I can't see any benefits at all, the very opposite, imo.
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