Brexit - the next steps

[Walter]

I think Brexit is inevitable unless the Tories somehow manage to screw up the general election, but still nobody will tell me what the real benefits of leaving the EU are. I'm am really angry about it.

jezza

Sometimes we don't get what we really want (I know that) but getting angry about it won't make it right and if you're not careful it might dominate and cloud your thoughts

Good luck old chap

[Walter]

I can't see any benefits at all, the very opposite, imo.

from reading your posts on here, I don't think you see the benefits in anything do ya ?

[Roses]

from reading your posts on here, I don't think you see the benefits in anything do ya ?

Give it a rest Walter, you are getting very boring.

[Nearly Sane]

The interesting times we live in continue


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/mcdonald-comfortable-asking-sinn-féin-voters-to-back-unionist-1.4071968?fbclid=IwAR2xP_2s_Dk7dROuHNPWlM7uFFsBSmU7fMMN5PIxto4AH0VX9Fxy_GtWOpg&mode=amp

[Nearly Sane]

And the ever brilliant Fintan O'Toole

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/05/brexiters-ireland-civil-war-troubled-past?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&__twitter_impression=true

[ippy]

You seem to be very keen on paying prices. Please tell us what we are getting for this price you are happy for me to pay.

The fact is that you clearly don't know what we are getting for this price and you and your stupid ignorant cohorts are going to drive this country ti destruction for something you cannot even articulate.

I absolutely despise this. I'd have some respect for you if you weren't such a fucking coward.

The price I speak of jp, in this case is voting for a political party I really don't have much in common with, the Tories, but I well may be able to in some way vote against it in the future after we've left the EU and help get rid of them that way.

At the moment I haven't made my mind up as to which one, Tories or Brexit, I think will be the most likely to fulfil the 2016 referendum result 

Regards, ippy.

[jeremyp]

The price I speak of jp, in this case is voting for a political party I really don't have much in common with, the Tories,

If they get in, it's a price I'll have to pay too. So it's a double whammy. Not only do we have the disaster of Brexit but we also have to put up with the Tories for five more years just so you can feel better about your Little England.

And still you will not tell us why the price is worth paying. It's obviously because you don't know. You have nothing. You are part of a cult. You and your ilk are causing more damage to my country than all the religionists combined.

[Gordon]

All we can hope is that those voters, mainly in England, who were [insert synonym for naive gullibility (or worse) here] enough to vote 'Leave' in 2016 have learned enough since then to not vote for the party who are the authors of this Brexit catastrofuck, in the hope that the result of the impending GE will provide a route to to stop Brexit.

If that pisses 'leavers' off, then I for one don't give a fuck.

[Gordon]

John Crace in good form, as usual.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/05/my-life-in-the-ethical-wild-west-our-sketch-writer-on-his-three-years-of-brexit-hell

[ippy]

If they get in, it's a price I'll have to pay too. So it's a double whammy. Not only do we have the disaster of Brexit but we also have to put up with the Tories for five more years just so you can feel better about your Little England.

And still you will not tell us why the price is worth paying. It's obviously because you don't know. You have nothing. You are part of a cult. You and your ilk are causing more damage to my country than all the religionists combined.

I did say I might be voting Tory or Brexit it depends on whichever one of those two I think, at the time, is most likely to implement the leave winning result of the 2016 referendum so I won't necessarily be voting Tory.

In response to the second half of your post I have told you my main reason for voting leave and I also told you that, that one reason I voted leave was, for me, enough reason on its own to vote leave, but yes I do have other reasons for wanting to vote leave then again it wouldn't matter what reason I was to tell you why I want the UK to leave the EU, do you really think we're ever likely to agree, you've even got trouble accepting the verdict of the democratic vote in 16.

I'm not your enemy anymore than you're mine I can accept we're unlikely to ever see eye to eye on this one jp.

Regards, ippy.

[Roses]

Ex Speaker Bercow has stated that Brexit is the 'biggest post war foreign policy mistake'

[ippy]

Ex Speaker Bercow has stated that Brexit is the 'biggest post war foreign policy mistake'

So what?

Regards, ippy.

[Robbie]

It's an opinion, he's entitled to express it, we all are (& do if this thread is anything to go by).

[ippy]

It's an opinion, he's entitled to express it, we all are (& do if this thread is anything to go by).

I agree but it's still a so what?

Regards, ippy.

[Roses]

So what?

Regards, ippy.

I think Bercow has got that right, and there will be weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth if it goes ahead.

[ippy]

I think Bercow has got that right, and there will be weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth if it goes ahead.

I don't know if this new speaker is any better than the last let's hope he's at least completely even handed where he has any kind of dealings with brexit.

Regards, ippy

[Roses]

I don't know if this new speaker is any better than the last let's hope he's at least completely even handed where he has any kind of dealings with brexit.

Regards, ippy

Bercow didn't state his opinion about Brexit until after he stepped down as speaker.

[ippy]

Bercow didn't state his opinion about Brexit until after he stepped down as speaker.

I somehow doubt anyone would need to have a score 960 or more on any I Q test to work out his position on that one L R, nor were you a member of the born yesterday club.

Regards, ippy.

[Roses]

I somehow doubt anyone would need to have a score 960 or more on any I Q test to work out his position on that one L R, nor were you a member of the born yesterday club.

Regards, ippy.

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[jeremyp]

Ex Speaker Bercow has stated that Brexit is the 'biggest post war foreign policy mistake'

I'm struggling to think of a worse prewar policy mistake.

[jeremyp]

nor were you a member of the born yesterday club.

Regards, ippy.

I think you might have been.

[Roses]

I'm struggling to think of a worse prewar policy mistake.

I think WW1 was one.

[jeremyp]

I think WW1 was one.

WW1 was a war, not a policy mistake. Clearly there must have been policy mistakes that led to it but I'm not sure how many, if any were British. You could argue we should have stayed out of it, but that would have meant stabbing our European allies in the back.

[Nearly Sane]

WW1 was a war, not a policy mistake. Clearly there must have been policy mistakes that led to it but I'm not sure how many, if any were British. You could argue we should have stayed out of it, but that would have meant stabbing our European allies in the back.

Treaty of Versailles, or appeasement? Both with 20/20 hindsight.

[jeremyp]

Treaty of Versailles, or appeasement? Both with 20/20 hindsight.

Treaty of Versailles was a clear mistake in retrospect. I'm not sure about appeasement. We weren't ready to go to war in 1938, but then neither was Hitler really.